Airport Trials New 'Naked' X-Ray Machine

Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by Petal, Oct 13, 2009.

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  1. Petal

    Petal SF dreamer Staff Member Safety & Support SF Supporter


    I was just browsing through sky news and came across this , there is a lot of controversy about it.. Your thoughts?
  2. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    My thoughts are that those that are behind these measures should be put to death as soon as possible. Really... would love to kill them, all by myself. It's beyond despicable. Privacy just doesn't matter much, anymore... I hate the world so much.

    If only I was dead... I am so sick of living in this dreadful, deceitful world.
  3. Mikeintx

    Mikeintx Well-Known Member

    aaanddd back to reality... they are offering it as an alternative to being pat down. I do not see an issue with it as long as it is offered as a choice and is not forced upon people.
  4. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Yeah, it started like that in the US, too... as a "trial". Not even a year later, it's compulsory.

    It always works that way.
  5. shades

    shades Staff Alumni

    I just viewed this video and have seen others. Seriously, you can see more on a person with tight-fitting clothes than you can via this x-ray apparatus. No problem and as Mike says above you have the choice. Even if it were to become compulsory, you can't see anything.

    Also, wouldn't you rather have your little outline seen than to have yourself or a family member blown to pieces?
  6. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    Who cares if some stranger who'll never you see you again sees you naked, anyhow?..
  7. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Yeah, who cares. As long as it's a stranger, anything and everything is okay.
  8. Abacus21

    Abacus21 Staff Alumni

    I agree with the Mikes - I've no issue with it.
  9. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Because having a stranger grope every contour of your body is MUCH less invasive right?
    Take your meds man.
  10. Zurkhardo

    Zurkhardo Well-Known Member

    People are quick to criticize and demonize the authorities when they fail to protect us. Yet at the same time we limit their capacity to do their jobs because of our own reservations over privacy. Frankly, we should either not expect to be as protected as we'd like, or suck it up when something like this comes along. We must give a little up of one to get the other.

    With that said, I'm for it if it remains optional. Whether 'groped' or X-rayed, we'll be feeling a tad invaded. But that's the price we must pay for our safety and fear.
  11. Abacus21

    Abacus21 Staff Alumni

    :agreed: Zurkhardo :thumbup:
  12. itmahanh

    itmahanh Senior Member & Antiquities Friend

    Damn it!!!! Now where am I going to hide that extra lighter????? :dry:

    I dont see a problem with it. But think I'll miss that little pat down, kind of a preflight entertainment bonus. Bottom line since 911 nothing seems to be the same. It was a horrible eye opener. How easily our safety can be jeopardize. I think that the fact there are still terrorist threats and attacks being made is much more invasive to my person than an xray. Doesnt really matter, the authorities are going to do what they want and we'll just accept it as the norm eventually like we also do.
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  13. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    End of the day if its made cumpulsory its an invasion of privacy, as others have pointed out the chances of it becoming compulsory are highly likely.....after all what other option do we have when it comes to airports?

    Whats wrong with a normal X-ray? it would show a majority of "hidden objects" without the need to see a person naked.
    Our rights and freedoms have been getting chipped away bit by bit over the last 3 decades and as long as they do it bit by bit and use key words like "terrorism" people seem to go along with it.
    Its within our human rights to be free to travel through countries without hindrance or need for permission, yet currently the state of travel contradicts this.
    I have had the majority of my human rights stripped from me by the authorities for simply asking questions and daring to stand up to corruption in certain government departments.
    This is one more chip into our human rights. Although they make plausable reasons for it being introduced it does not remove the fact the use of the machine strips another right.
    The way around this is with the fact human rights are seen as a valuable commodity and can actually be used in contracts, offer them a contract which states you will allow the scan in return for a fee of £5,000. If they dont sign then dont have it done. and walk through, its a way of avoiding conflict and if they stop you walking through it is them who cause the conflict so in a court of law they are the ones who are answerable, not you as you offered legal consideration!
  14. Chargette

    Chargette Well-Known Member

    If they were to x-ray me they'd get a good laugh! :)
  15. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Glad that at least someone takes this seriously. Really, it's only a matter of time until they will introduce this in schools and other public places, as well. Most probably, as people get used to it, in the future you won't even be able to exit a supermarket without being scanned.

    As for Issaccs's comment that this is better than being groped at every part of your body... while it certainly can be uncomfortable being felt up that way, I haven't heard that it is too common that you actually really get groped. Correct me if you know better; I'm sure I might be wrong. But I'd take the risk of me or my possible future girlfriend being groped any day than getting a definite nudity scan of both her body and my own. Allegedly, the scans won't be kept (yet), but even if the authorities are honest and they never are kept, it doesn't stop anyone from filming the screens themselves with their mobile camera and then spreading the images over the Internet. I'm sure this is the next illegal fetish porn... there's already fetish porn for gyno exams out there... why stop there?
  16. Zurkhardo

    Zurkhardo Well-Known Member

    I understand your grievances but in the end it comes down to which is the lesser evil: a more secure world that nonetheless requires you give up some comfort and privacy or a world where there is much privacy but also much risk of harm or death. There can't be entirely just one or the other, but ideally a reasonable line between the two.

    If the consensus among the public is that this whole thing isn't an issue for them, then so be it. A violation of privacy isn't really a violation of human or civil rights if most of the humans in question don't see it that way. Only if it were done without consent or over the objections of the masses would I see it as overriding our collective human rights. If the people don't want it, then they'll speak up or boycott.
  17. lost43215

    lost43215 Well-Known Member

    Id have no prob with it. Besides, it's a human body... I mean, just look up on the internet and we can see tons of nude bodies. Really to me, even if I was just the guard there looking at the images, I wouldnt think much of em, just doing a job. And better than being frisked. But again, it's a body, not like we havent seen them b4, and nothing hugely personal about it. Not like they can see the mole on u or the tattoo somewhere on u that makes that pic personal.
  18. PandorasToybox

    PandorasToybox Well-Known Member

    I guess too it depends on the person...I mean if you are someone who has been raped, sexually abused, molested or anything like that, you would probably not be comfortable having that done, but then again it would be less stressful than having somebody feel you up. Besides think of how many peoples bodies they would be looking at in an hour or day (depending on the size of the airport), after awhile I really don't think they care...But then again it could be that you are just plain not ok with being violated (or whatever you want to call it)...just my two sense...
  19. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    No matter what the majority of a nation says, a violation of human rights is still a violation of Human rights (Human Rights Act 1998, European Convention of Human Rights, Universal Declaration of Human Rights.)

    Funnily enough people dont even realise what their rights are. The issue of security i am presuming is mainly focussed on terrorism, How will this scan stop it? all it does it show the body with no clothes on....i would have thought using common sense that an X-ray machine is more practical as it would show items hidden elsewhere (like the common suppository method of smuggling items) which obviously wont be seen in the scan. The majority of explosives are relatively dense materials and weapons are dense too so would both show up on an X-ray.

    On the point of terrorism, why worry about them, it was YOUR government that sold them weapons in the first place, that funded them and continue to trade with them.
    The government needs to be transparent, with that we then have security as the government wont go waging any illegal wars and terrorising other nations.
    An estimated 400,000 children have already died in iraq due to us, there are going to be a lot of pissed off families and rightly so. It is our goverments that do the terrorising (even of their own people.)
    The government has recently stole EVERY penny i have, leaving me with no money for over 3 month, If it wasnt for my lifestyle i would have been starved out of house and home due to standing up to them. dont blindly accept whatever they say, ask questions and research. its our only defence
  20. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    ooops was meant to quote zurkhardo then.:unsure::unsure::biggrin:
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