Another school shooting in Finland... Sad stuff.

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  1. Just_a_guy

    Just_a_guy Well-Known Member

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7630969.stm

    Sigh, whats wrong with Finland these days? :sad:

    There was another school shooting in Finland about a year ago with the same caliber handgun. I was pretty shocked how easy it is to get a handgun here especially after the last shooting. Why would a private citizen (or a 22 year old student) even need a handgun? Its legal to own a handgun here with a permit.
     
  2. Pingu

    Pingu Well-Known Member

    So sad its so easy to get a handgun in finland.. With all respect to those who died and their families, but he probably had his reasons
     
  3. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    >>Why would a private citizen (or a 22 year old student) even need a handgun? Its legal to own a handgun here with a permit<<

    sounds like little gun control prosletizing to me. while it may be alright
    with the moderators and the administrators, it aint ok with me.

    nutcase people shoot other people every day all over the world.
    whether the handguns are legal in that country or NOT, makes no
    difference.

    a private citizen or a 22 year old student should have a handgun because
    they bloody well want to have one and in countries that don't have
    their head completely up their arse (yet...) it is also their RIGHT to
    own a handgun.

    if more people were armed, less people would be hurt or killed when
    some nutjob goes off his rails.

    sorry, but I don't like insinuated "blame it on the gun" rhetoric.
     
  4. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    >>>So sad its so easy to get a handgun in finland<<<

    it's easy to get one anywhere if you really want one. and that is SO
    not the point, it is extremely irritating to me personally. the psycho
    with the gun killed those people, not the gun.


    >>With all respect to those who died and their families, but he probably
    had his reasons<<<

    yeah, a good one. his twisted brain was no longer the boss, if in fact it
    ever was.

    it's a terrible tragedy that some loon goes apeshit and kills some
    people. but, it happens every day.

    let's lock up the loons, not blame the guns or promote the "woe is finland" thinking
    or for that matter woe is any other country who has laws which allow normal law
    abiding joe blow citizens to own guns.
     
  5. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    If you really really want to find a gun, you can get one if you look hard enough. Ive heards stories of people being held at gunpoint up here in the north of scotland, not in big cities but in small towns of less than a few thousand people :dunno:
     
  6. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    and, to be clear..what happened is very sad, and I am sorry if I sounded
    harsh. it is just so easy to always blame everything on the 'GUN', when
    in truth it was the actions of a 22 year old crazy person who ya'd
    THINK MIGHT have been sending up a red flag or 2 to someone in his life.
    parents, friends, God only knows.

    think about this. when that pasty faced SCUMBAG murdered John
    Lennon in NewYork City in 1980, it was proof positive that being
    allowed to have guns or not being allowed to have guns is completely
    utterly and totally and all encompassingly irrelevant.

    that BARF bag broke 27 federal laws before he got off the plane at
    JFK. then proceeded to commit more felonies by carrying a handgun
    without a permit in new york. didn't stop him from getting John's
    autograph and then proceeding to blow John Lennon into the next
    world.

    it is a terrinble tragedy, what happened in Finland. but as I said, it
    happens all over all the time. society as a whole, Finnish, American,
    it doesn't matter...NEEDS to address this crap in any and every way
    possible to prevent it from happening more, or even as much it already
    does.

    the 'ease' with which one can obtain a handgun is truly not the issue.
    sorry for the 2nd amentment rant. it's just that I feel it is my duty
    as a citizen to point out erroneous thinking whenever possible. and
    the exact words..."Why would a private citizen (or a 22 year old student)
    even need a handgun?" are very scary to me. if not a private citizen,
    who? the government? the police? you trust them, but not the millions
    of law abiding citizens who do NOT go apeshit every day and kill 10
    people?

    as for reasons why, it is always the same. I spoke of ...that scumbag
    who killed John Lennon..it sickens me to use his name. but I have to,
    I guess in order to make my point.

    there is a very sad tendency towards "mark David chapman syndrome"
    in all the modern cultures or even the old cultures of the world. it's
    not the "cultures" that are the phenomenon but rather modern mans
    twisted ways of manifesting whatever is going thru the sick mind of
    a kid like this most recent one. as sad and LAME as it is, most of them
    do it because they will be famous. attention seeking. it's pathetic.
     
  7. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    exactly. and so utterly negates the premise of "gee, too bad it's so
    easy to get a handgun...let's see, the obvious quantum leap here would
    be...oh yeah! let's make handguns illegal and ban them everywhere! then
    we'll all be SAFE and HAPPY!"

    WRONG! as you well know. sorry for preaching to the choir.....
     
  8. Just_a_guy

    Just_a_guy Well-Known Member

    Uhmmm... My point really wasn't to start a debate about guns although it looks like that now that i see my post later, and certainly not gun proselytizing :mad:

    Anyway, people here are talking about when the next time will be. Now two people have showed an example to all the other crazy people out there, and not only in finland :(
     
  9. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    >>>My point really wasn't to start a debate about guns although it looks like that now that I see my post later<<<

    in retrospect? it looks that way, but ya didn't mean it that way? cool.
    shit happens. my mistake. and my apologies for my sermon about gun
    ownership. it is sad, and downright shit scary that every nutbag and
    his grandmother could go off the deep end without a moments warning.

    eh...that's life. it sucks. it'd be worse if none of the rest of us had guns
    though. there's no simple answer. metal detectors work pretty well in
    airports and courthouses. prolly a bit pricey for schools?? conversely,
    if I, Joe Pleeb, citizen without a voice who still likes to pretend he has
    one had MY say about it, there'd be metal detectors in schools starting
    TOOmorrow if not sooner. they need them. it is no joke. tell that to the
    powers that be and see if they write back.

    you can vote for me as a write in against McOld or What's His Face if ya want..

    won't do Finland much good...:dry:

    sorry I yelled at ya.
     
  10. Just_a_guy

    Just_a_guy Well-Known Member

    Things are gonna have to be pretty fuxed up before they start putting metal detectors in schools around here :D
     
  11. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    where's here? Finland?
     
  12. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    to carry on in that vein, why? I know why. it's a rhetorical question.
    it's a hypothetical question. it's more than likely a bloody STUPID
    question.

    why not have metal detectors in schools? more people go apeshit in
    schools these days than they do in airports or court buildings. something
    is rotten in the state of denmark :dry:

    "No, Finland!"

    yes...there too....
     
  13. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    A person could kill somebody with a fork. Or a screwdriver for that matter. Someone could even make a crude handgun if they were handy enough. There are so many ways to hurt or kill people that it's pretty much pointless to try and keep "dangerous" objects out of people's hands. It's completely lopsided to be blaming an object for the actions of a person.

    The more restrictions you put on people, the more desperate (and dangerous) they become. And at the same time, the overall population becomes just that much more defenseless.
     
  14. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    >>>A person could kill somebody with a fork. Or a screwdriver for that matter. Someone could even make a crude handgun if they were handy enough. There are so many ways to hurt or kill people that it's pretty much pointless to try and keep "dangerous" objects out of people's hands. It's completely lopsided to be blaming an object for the actions of a person.

    The more restrictions you put on people, the more desperate (and dangerous) they become. And at the same time, the overall population becomes just that much more defenseless<<<

    I agree unconditionally 100%. on that note as an aside and for the sake of placating the gun control idiots, I would sooner have metal detectors up everyones arse than allow further promotion and promulgation of the fascist propoganda that is
    the very cornerstone of gun control nutcase-ism. If anyone doesn't believe taking away everybodys guns cause .00195
    per cent of the population are psychos is facsism, ask someone who is a decendant of a survivor of Auschwitz.

    it's ridiculous. anyway, sorry....just_a_guy made it clear that is NOT what he meant and I know you don't and
    I don't believe any of that horse hockey, so, again, I preach-eth to the choir. my bad.

    so, what to do about 'troubled kids' who are too lazy or stupid to make their own weapons? or even and
    maybe especially those who excel in that arena? what to do? hell if I know. keep yer eyes peeled at all times
    is about the best I can come up with
     
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  15. Dave_N

    Dave_N Guest

    Being a teacher, I just hate hearing about school shootings. Columbine was the worst one, until the maniac at Virginia Tech went on a killing rampage. I heard the death toll was 9 or 10 at the finland college shooting. It's just terrible what our world is becomming.
     
  16. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    I think what happens is that the government tries to shift the blame. After the columbine massacre everyone was trying to blame it on marylin manson and computer games, when in reality it was the shitty school system. Governments never admit their mistakes, so its unlikley we will ever see the end of school shootings.
     
  17. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    marylin manson huh? well, it COULD be her fault I guess. shifting the blame
    is what governments were invented for. twas ever thus. didn't parents used
    to have a spot in this equation once upon a time?
     
  18. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Sounds like you're considering the possibility of him deserving sympathy. What "reasons" lie behind killing nine students in the same class, along with one teacher in that class, and failing in killing many others, as well? Other than insanity or being extremely evil, that is. There is no way that ALL those people deserved it, in some way, along with those he failed to kill, and besides, he started planning it before he even was a student of that school. There can be no sympathy for scum like this... what kind of standpoint is that to sympathise with such people?
     
  19. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Because not sympathizing with people leads to exactly this kind of shit.
    He was planning it before.
    Columbine was planned well in advance with both students showing signs of mental and behavioral disturbance.
    V-Tech, same shit, different day.

    These people all outwardly showed signs of something being wrong that everyone either ignored, missed or brushed off. If people paid more attention then shit like this wouldn't happen.

    And for a forum that is meant to support people with mental health issues I really shouldn't have to point that out.
     
  20. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    I'm sure that if he had survived from his shot to his head and, from prison, would come to this forum and tell about how he regrets nothing and maybe also how fun he found it to be, no one here would show him any sympathy, other than those who may also end up like him.
     
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