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Ash600

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#41
Thanks @may71. I would always recommend talking to a qualified health professional about treatment options, especially if there's unwanted effects.

I've read that aspirin is considered something of a wonder substance for many conditions by some people, and the Australian study is testing some of the claims
Yeah, over the last few years, there has been some claims that aspirin can be beneficial for other conditions. However, these have not been fully verified, and in fact the protocols regarding the use of aspirin in general practice does seem to change every few years or so.
Whilst it's still regarded as a "wonder drug" it can have it's own set of issues, main one being it's ability to cause stomach problems, in the long term, if used incorrectly can lead to GI micro-bleeding which I'm sure you guys can imagine is not really good.
 
#44
One of the side effects of Aspirin is tinnitus which is what's probably causing the ringing in your ears. But yeah @may71, you're doing the right thing by checking with your doctor.
The tinnitus itself doesn't bother me so much, I'd just worry that the tinnitus would be a sign of something else more serious.
 

Lara_C

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#46
Yeah, over the last few years, there has been some claims that aspirin can be beneficial for other conditions. However, these have not been fully verified, and in fact the protocols regarding the use of aspirin in general practice does seem to change every few years or so.
Whilst it's still regarded as a "wonder drug" it can have it's own set of issues, main one being it's ability to cause stomach problems, in the long term, if used incorrectly can lead to GI micro-bleeding which I'm sure you guys can imagine is not really good.
It's as well to remember that OTC drugs can also have serious unwanted effects if taken outside the guidelines on the pack
 

Ash600

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#49
I guess when you are talking about technical subjects you have to use technical terms. Your sins are forgiven

Do they still recommend daily low-dose aspirin to prevent heart attacks
Actually, technical terms are sometimes used just to "blag" it in certain situations. You know, just to make us look as if we know what we're talking about! Well that's what I do sometimes!!!!o_O
- Are my sins still forgiven?
Seriously though, yes, aspirin is still used to prevent heart attacks, but nowadays, only to prevent a secondary episode from occuring, not for "primary prevention" due to concern about it's side effects.
 
#51
Actually, technical terms are sometimes used just to "blag" it in certain situations. You know, just to make us look as if we know what we're talking about! Well that's what I do sometimes!!!!o_O
- Are my sins still forgiven?
WELL IN THAT CASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Seriously though, yes, aspirin is still used to prevent heart attacks, but nowadays, only to prevent a secondary episode from occuring, not for "primary prevention" due to concern about it's side effects
Thank you :)
 

Lara_C

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#52
Can aspirin be absorbed topically, like ibuprofen? Would be a way of avoiding stomach probs

ETA: On second thoughts maybe not a good idea....salicylic acid is used to exfoliate the skin, so could cause irritation
 
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Rebreb

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#53
White willow bark is a natural alternative to aspirin. If I'm not mistaken, that's what aspirin was synthesized after. I've used it in a tea form for headaches and it's been great. It can be sourced online.

I imagine you wouldn't have the same side effects with the bark, but I'm not sure.
 

Lara_C

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#54
White willow bark is a natural alternative to aspirin. If I'm not mistaken, that's what aspirin was synthesized after. I've used it in a tea form for headaches and it's been great. It can be sourced online.

I imagine you wouldn't have the same side effects with the bark, but I'm not sure.
Yeah, heard of that......it's thought to be gentler on the stomach.
 

Rebreb

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#55
Turmeric is a great natural anti-inflammatory! And also has anti-depressive properties. And doesn't interfere with SSRI's. Win-win-win in this case.



(@Ash600 - I have tinnitus as a result of my SSRI (I'm changing meds now, hopefully it will stop) and it also gave me a strange pressure in my ears. Have you heard of this ever?? My pharmacist and doctor didn't know what it was. It's very uncomfortable.)
 

Lara_C

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#56
Turmeric is a great natural anti-inflammatory! And also has anti-depressive properties. And doesn't interfere with SSRI's.
I think it's potency is said to be greatly increased if taken with black pepper. You can get tabs with the active ingredient circumin, if you don't like the taste of turmeric (plus it's VERY messy).
 

Ash600

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#57
Can aspirin be absorbed topically, like ibuprofen? Would be a way of avoiding stomach probs

ETA: On second thoughts maybe not a good idea....salicylic acid is used to exfoliate the skin, so could cause irritation
@Clair
If formulated correctly, then yeah, aspirin can be absorbed topically. Products like "Deep Heat" rub contain methyl salicylate which as the name suggests are from the same class of drugs.
Salicylic acid is actually used effectively in various topical preparations for treatment/management of psoriasis, corns, calluses,,warts, fungal nail infections, seborrhea etc.

@Rebreb and @Clair
Re Turmeric, that's right, it certainly does have excellent anti-inflammatory properties. If I remember correctly, if you mix it with mustard oil and warm the mixture up gently, then it'll make an excellent oil to rub in for aches and strains. (But don't quote me on the exact formula!)
Didn't know it's potency can be increased with black pepper, mind you I'm nearly always chucking that in if I'm doing some cooking along with chillis. Speaking of which, active ingredient in chillis, capsaicin, has go good pain relieving properties. You can actuallly get creams specifically containing this prescribed by doctors for pain relief - which is so much better (and less messier) than going to your local Indian restaurant, ordering the hottest dish available like a vindaloo or phaal and smearing that over yourself!!


@Rebreb - regarding your tinitus and pressure in your ears, hopefully the tinitus will stop once you change from your current SSRI, might take a while, but there's no set time scale on these things. Can't said I've experienced any cases of pressure in the ears. Ear pain, yes, though a rare side effect of SSRIs. Hopefully your doctor will investigate this further or refer you to an ENT specialist as there's many condit0ns which can cause this.

Right, class is over, hope everyone's been paying attention as I may be asking questions later!!!;)
 

Lara_C

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#58
Right, class is over, hope everyone's been paying attention as I may be asking questions later!!!;)
This is great @Ash600 - having the benefit of your knowledge and expertise to call on!

I once had a recipe for a hot spice bath mix which combined Epsom salts with ground mustard, cayenne, ginger, black pepper, cumin, turmeric , and some others I forget. It was great to have a long soak in on cold winter nights and really warmed and relaxed the body. Interestingly, I read somewhere that warming the body helps counteract the pain of loneliness.

ETA: Here it is: "physical temperature seems to have become indistinguishable, on some level, from psychological feelings of connectedness. Indeed, some of the same brain areas that register physical temperature are also sensitive to feelings of loneliness and social rejection. With these connections in mind, psychologists at Yale University recently tested whether people might use physical warmth as a way to feel better about themselves" https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/choke/201201/feeling-lonely-take-warm-bath
 
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Lara_C

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#59
P.S. I had to add this tip for toothache/abscess: instead of swallowing a whole tab of ibuprofen, crush half of it and hold it against the gum area until the pain subsides.
 

Ash600

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#60
This is great @Ash600 - having the benefit of your knowledge and expertise to call on!

I once had a recipe for a hot spice bath mix which combined Epsom salts with ground mustard, cayenne, ginger, black pepper, cumin, turmeric , and some others I forget. It was great to have a long soak in on cold winter nights and really warmed and relaxed the body. Interestingly, I read somewhere that warming the body helps counteract the pain of loneliness.

ETA: Here it is: "physical temperature seems to have become indistinguishable, on some level, from psychological feelings of connectedness. Indeed, some of the same brain areas that register physical temperature are also sensitive to feelings of loneliness and social rejection. With these connections in mind, psychologists at Yale University recently tested whether people might use physical warmth as a way to feel better about themselves" https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/choke/201201/feeling-lonely-take-warm-bath
That's why a hug is always good!.

Just out of interest, that hot spice bath you mentioned, sounded like you were trying to marinate yourself!:p
 

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