Arkansas police execute a man; claims he shot himself while handcuffed in backseat

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  1. Prinnctopher's Belt

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    Arkansas police claim man shot himself in head despite handcuffs

    By David Edwards
    Wednesday, August 1, 2012 15:51 EDT


    A Mississippi mother is accusing police in Jonesboro, Arkansas of killing her son after he was found shot in the head with his hands cuffed behind his back in a squad car.

    A police report obtained by KAIT indicated that 21-year-old Chavis Chacobie Carter had been a passenger in a pickup truck when Officer Ron Marsh found “some marijuana” and plastic baggies in his possession. Marsh also determined that Carter had been wanted on a warrant after he missed a court date for drug charges in DeSoto County, Mississippi.

    Marsh then had Carter “exit the patrol unit, placed him into handcuffs, searched him a second time then placed him into the back seat of the patrol unit.”

    Jonesboro Police Sergeant Lyle Waterworth told WREG that Carter had been “handcuffed behind his back and double locked, and searched.”


    At that point, Officer Keith Baggett believed a passing car ran over a piece of metal in the road because he heard “a loud thump with a metallic sound.” Baggett said he then heard “several thumps” after Marsh released the two other suspects. Marsh motioned Baggett over to the patrol car and said the 21-year-old had shot himself.

    When the officers opened the patrol car door, they found Carter in a “sitting position slumped forward with his head in his lap.” The report indicated that Carter was still handcuffed and a small caliber handgun was sitting beside him.

    Carter was taking to St. Bernards Regional Medical Center and later died from the gunshot wound.

    Authorities in Jonesboro suspect that Carter shot himself in the head but his mother, Teresa Carter, isn’t buying it.

    “I think they killed him, my son wasn’t suicidal,” she explained to WREG, adding that police told her he was shot in his right temple, even though her son was left handed.

    “I just want to know what really happened,” Teresa Carter said. “That’s all I want to know.”

    Officers Baggett and Marsh have been placed on leave pending an investigation.




    With video from local news coverage: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/...m-man-shot-himself-in-head-despite-handcuffs/
     
  2. Prinnctopher's Belt

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    Re: Arkansas police execute a man; claims he shot himself while handcuffed in backsea

    Now this is where we pay close attention using the information available.

    He was searched - twice. He was handcuffed behind his back and was "double locked". He was in the back seat of a squad car. A gun was found beside him. He was left-handed and was shot in the right temple. This occurred in Arkansas. Houdini couldn't even pull this stunt.

    I do believe Occam's Razor has legitimate function here.
     
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  3. Baldr

    Baldr Moderator Staff Member Safety & Support

    Re: Arkansas police execute a man; claims he shot himself while handcuffed in backsea

    I agree that he probably didn't kill himself, but isn't this a little bit too methoddy? :unsure:
     
  4. Dave_N

    Dave_N Banned Member

    Re: Arkansas police execute a man; claims he shot himself while handcuffed in backsea

    Here's what I think happened. Some cops are very, very trigger happy and when cops draw their guns from their holdsters, they are supposed to keep their index finger off the trigger and extended straight like you're pointing at someone. If Chavis had a gun on him and the cop saw him with a gun in the back seat, he would first demand that he drop his weapon. If Chavis didn't drop his gun, then the cop would promptly shoot him. If a cop orders you to drop your gun, you'd better drop it!

    RIP Chavis.
     
  5. TheLoneWolf

    TheLoneWolf Well-Known Member

    Re: Arkansas police execute a man; claims he shot himself while handcuffed in backsea

    If they searched him, he didn't have a gun on him. It's possible to conceal drugs or maybe a slim blade of some kind, but a gun? No. There is no way. Any halfway thorough search would have revealed a firearm. And I have been in handcuffs before. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible to even draw a gun, let alone load it, cock it and point it at your own head while handcuffed. And I can't see anyone committing suicide because they were facing minor marijuana possession charges. That is a misdemeanor at best. If they heard a loud metallic thumping sound, chances are they thought they were being shot at, and probably instantly reacted by shooting the man in custody. Rather than admitting their mistake, they came up with this rather farfetched story.

    If they had said that it was an accident and were remorseful about it, then I'd probably be willing to accept their story. People make mistakes, even police officers make mistakes. Especially in a stressful situation where they feel as though their lives are in danger. But when you make a mistake, you own up to those mistakes. You don't make up stories and plant evidence to cover your own ass.
     
  6. justMe7

    justMe7 Well-Known Member

    Re: Arkansas police execute a man; claims he shot himself while handcuffed in backsea

    I don't know how the law works, but in my mind, if an officer of the law detains you and puts you in "their custody", they are responsible for your safety(without using that as a means to deny you your freedoms to excessive extents). Be it from yourself, or external situations.
    Not sure how they can miss a handgun.. I know people get complacent and don't follow procedures 100% of the time... but this is the job they chose, so they failed in the inital pat downs. To me it's a huge stretch to assume the officers had direct involvment in the mans death, but they are surely responsible for his death in some fashion.
     
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