BBC: Anti-depressants 'of little use'

Discussion in 'Therapy and Medication' started by jonstark, Feb 25, 2008.

  1. jonstark

    jonstark Well-Known Member

  2. ozinuk

    ozinuk Well-Known Member

    Once again what we've all said wasn't heard. Why don't they take us seriously :no:
     
  3. theleastofthese

    theleastofthese SF Friend Staff Alumni

    It's hard for me to say conclusively that antidepressants have helped or not helped me. I'd have to be off of them for a while in order to tell if I felt worse without them, and then, a lot of my depression is situational, based on finances and other things that a drug can't help or control. So I take this article with a grain of salt, because I think that zoloft HAS helped me over the last ten years and because of all the variables that can't be accounted for in "clinical trials". Just my opinion...
     
  4. Dreamer uk

    Dreamer uk Well-Known Member

    Marjorie Wallace is talking shit.

    What a load of rubbish, the antidepressant effect is no placebo.
     
  5. gforce7

    gforce7 Active Member

    Prozac deffinately helped me when I was first prescribed it, when I was about 16 years old. It took the edge off my depression.

    Not sure if it's having much effect any more though :unsure:
     
  6. Dreamer uk

    Dreamer uk Well-Known Member

    The antidepressants are definately over prescribed and there are notable side effects and withdrawal symptoms to consider.

    My worry is receptor downregulation will lessen the efficacy of the antidepressant medication over time.
     
  7. BOLIAO

    BOLIAO Guest

    it helped me to a certaint extent. It took away the very strong suicidal urges, the hollowness / emptiness feeling, the different dimension feeling and trapped in time feeling but I'm still horribly depressed. Never believed in popping pills could help but surprisingly it did so I take them now as I realised that situational / reactional depression DOES cause chemical changes in my fucking brain. I thought I was going nuts oredi.
     
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy Antiquitie's Friend

    The article doesn't argue that anti-depressants are of little use for everyone. It argues that they're of little use for people with mild depression.

    For mild depression:

     
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  9. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Because we're "crazy" or "out of focus." Better for the psychiatrists to trust the drug companies that give them company written books on what is recommended for people with psychological problems, despite their huge incomes due to "medications" that only show that "something" happens; there's no proof that the level of serotonin, for instance (controlled with so called "SSRI's" (a company created name, by the way)), does any improvement in the mood. Much does, however, show that people often get more depressed, suicidal, or may, at times, even kill people. Despite this, the companies have managed to convince the whole world that faulty serotonin levels are a cause of depression. What it really is is just a massive social experiment.

    I do, however, think that a select few may in fact be helped by some of these substances, but they are few and far between... the vast majority is just unknowingly participating in an experiment based on greed. Or, actually, all, including those who happen to get better, are participants, but the companies must of course manage to get a select few better, just by luck.
     
  10. ToHelp

    ToHelp Well-Known Member

    By which "company"? No, SSRI is no more than a adapted abbreviation for what this class of AD does--inhibit the reuptake of serotoin: Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors/

    )), does any improvement in the mood. Much does, however, show that people often get more depressed, suicidal, or may, at times, even kill people. Despite this, the companies have managed to convince the whole world that faulty serotonin levels are a cause of depression. What it really is is just a massive social experiment.

    I do, however, think that a select few may in fact be helped by some of these substances, but they are few and far between... the vast majority is just unknowingly participating in an experiment based on greed. Or, actually, all, including those who happen to get better, are participants, but the companies must of course manage to get a select few better, just by luck.[/QUOTE]
     
  11. ToHelp

    ToHelp Well-Known Member

    By which "company"? No, SSRI is no more than a standard adopted abbreviation for what this class of AD does--inhibit the reuptake of serotonin into the relevant neurons, thereby resulting in an articifially induced concentration in these vestibules (neurons): Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors. I'm arguing a minor point here but "SSRI" is no a for-profit company-creation than is SNRI, MAOI, or TCA.

    :thumbup: Yes, that first part is the epitomization of irony isn't it? And with the rest, I tend to agree.

    :thumbup: Agreed.

    Well I'm a prisoner to sertraline myself.

    My abiding concern is this receptor downregulation will keep me a prisoner to the shit for life.

    In any altered circumstance, the body strives for homeostasis, or a return to natural balance of its chemicals. Well, I can't seem to leave Zoloft for the LIFE of me..... maybe if I titrate over the course of a year.

    The brain is extremely slow to reverse downregulation, and it's such a hazard coming off, that most people are simply resigned to stay on their AD for life.

    ToHelp
     
  12. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Well, it is a medical company that founded the term... I'm not sure what company it was, but it probably was Pfizer. Anyway... my point was only that the term has been used by psychiatrists as a method to appear scientific in their practices, when the term, in fact, has its origin in inconclusive trials that ultimately are based on profit.
     
  13. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    Didn't take a BBC doc for me to know that , I have lived it :tongue:
     
  14. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member


    What an excellent post! Rings so true to.

    I am starting to agree with the scientologists in that:

    Psychiatry is a scam.

    I don't think they know what the hell they are doing. Its just hit and miss.

    Here take this, if that dont work, take this.

    They have no clue why or how. We are all guniea pigs!
     
  15. RCC

    RCC Well-Known Member

    I think they're counter-productive, personally.
     
  16. ToHelp

    ToHelp Well-Known Member

    I'm no Scientologist but shit. I agree with everything said here.

    You tell it, Bob! :thumbup: