Child Porn etc

Discussion in 'I Have a Question...' started by Hazibell, Sep 4, 2008.

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  1. Hazibell

    Hazibell Well-Known Member

    Need someone who knows a bit about this?
    Just to answer a few questions, like for example, can someone still get prosecuted if it was years ago?
    Can traces still be found after a computer has been formatted?
    These are just general questions, and this isn't me I'm asking for by the way.
     
  2. Dave_N

    Dave_N Guest

    If a computer has been formatted, then there shouldn't be any way of knowing that it was on it, but I could be wrong. Yeah, kiddie porn is a definite no no.
     
  3. DrowningInTears

    DrowningInTears Well-Known Member

    PARTY VAN SHOWS UP
    lawl
    if ur computer is years ago old maybe get a new one(and utterly destroy the old one)? perhaps u could use a new one anyways? i think if they do some intensive forensics on ur comp they could find out, i dont know how all the details/legal stuff works. do u have reason to think u will be under investigation?
     
  4. Hazibell

    Hazibell Well-Known Member

    Nah it isn't me that has got it on my pc
    But I know someone that HAD it
    Thing is...do you think they could be a danger?
    If they're into children and things, even looking at children in the street is wrong in my eyes.
    I'm hoping it would still be on a pc after it was formatted. Will have to contact and look into it more I thinks.
     
  5. Dave_N

    Dave_N Guest

    Maybe your friend was just curious about child porn and not actually a pedophile?
     
  6. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Too the best of my knowledge the information is still stored untill something overwrites it, so it could still be there.

    However If you took it to the police I doubt they would take you very seriously as its a lot of work to find something which may or may not be there for very little result.
     
  7. ~PinkElephants~

    ~PinkElephants~ Senior member

    With watching too many crime shows(CSI, Cold Case, etc) I've seen that any computer nerd who's highly into working with them can find anything. I don't even know if once formatting your computer it's completely gone. I've seen people dig stuff up that was thought to have been deleted and gone. I know it's just a show but generally it's based on some truth.

    As for the worrying about the wandering eye bit I personally would be a bit worried. Keep an eye on him, I mean he could be just curious but if he is intrigued by it after checking it out things could go south. Just beware of what he's doing at times and if he makes little comments as well just be on alert.

    Good luck.
     
  8. Hazibell

    Hazibell Well-Known Member

    Nah I mean being a paedophile...I am pretty sure they wouldn't do that to just random children and things.
    But I do know for a fact they 'get off' on pictures and videos...which are supposedly now gone.
    I know police round here take things like that very seriously and its just a wonder if they would dig stuff up.
    Hmm.
    We shall see.
    Thanks guys for replies and everything!
     
  9. ~PinkElephants~

    ~PinkElephants~ Senior member

    If someone reports them I'm sure they have some high tech computer nerd(sorry for the word nerd) that could dig up anything on a computer even if it was deleted and formatted years ago. It's amazing what can be found on a PC when you think it's gone.

    Also still be careful because he "gets off" on images and videos now, but who's to say that sexual desire won't turn into an urge. Like he gets aroused at watching it, so why not do it?
    Just beware hun.

    Had to add something....
    No offense but this person is committing a crime by even looking at the pictures and videos. I personally think you should let authorities know. That's just my opinion.
     
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  10. Hazibell

    Hazibell Well-Known Member

    Thanks hunn!
    Just really needed someone to talk to about this because I haven't got a clue about these sorts of things...Not like I look it up on google and things lol
    Just wanted to know if it could still be found and stuff, and wanted them to know that it could be as well.
    Thank you!
     
  11. Dave_N

    Dave_N Guest

    I think it depends on how you format your computer. I've formatted many computers and there are different ways to do it. If you delete the entire partition and then do a complete format and then reinstall windows, then it should be gone completely. But if you're lazy and just do a 'quick format' without deleting the old partition, then it could be recovered. I guess I'm a computer nerd. :rolleyes:
     
  12. kenny

    kenny Well-Known Member

    The only way to be 100% sure that files are gone, and this includes confidential data (such as sensitive client information) is to ensure that the disc is completely overwritten with random 1s and 0s. when a file is deleted, the table of contents overwrites the first character only. so the filename and the data can be retrieved. the Operating system has marked the space where the file was as empty, so as time goes on the liklihood of the data still being left untouched goes down

    However, each piece of disc space is a certain size and files take up a number of spaces. the last piece may not completely fill the space so old data can still remain after the end of the file.

    the longer since the file was deleted, the less chance of it being retrieved.
     
  13. famous.last.words

    famous.last.words Forum Buddy

    You would be amazed what they can do, i know this for a fact because of what my parents do.

    If you have any doubts you could report the person, the burden of proof is with them and you will not be penalised in anyway if nothing turns up. im presuming you are asking for that reason?

    if you are in the UK (or not, it really doesnt matter) then i would really recommend contacting CEOP (child exploitation and online protection) who are an organisation who specialise in dealing with child abuse images (NOT child porn, porn denotes something consentual, and these images are certainly not) therir website can be found at www.ceop.gov.uk

    If there is anything i can do to help, please pm me :)
     
  14. Hurted

    Hurted Well-Known Member

    It is so easy to destroy evidences.. you just destroy computer and that's it...

    If they have money for buying children porn, they will have money for buying new computer.

    But i know that no one is going to buy new computer after every watch...
     
  15. famous.last.words

    famous.last.words Forum Buddy

    your forgetting that everything leaves a trace, the IP, the credit transaction for buying the child abuse imagry, everything.

    and people are watching, waiting to get these bastards, just like they should be.
     
  16. perry_mason

    perry_mason Well-Known Member

    if you are going to go to the police about this, just be 110% sure what you are saying is correct.

    you said they HAD images and gets off on it. are you sure it was illegal stuff?
    may be they got the images by mistake, didnt like them, and deleted them?
    they might not like actual kids but women who dress up like schoolgirls etc. thats a little creepy to me but not at all illegal (providing the 'actress' was 18 or over).

    if what you think is true turns out to be false, you could have quite easily ruined a person's life. when it gets out that they were investigated for CP (which it probably will), people will think they are evil (sadly i would probably follow the herd behavor as well) regardless if they was found to be innocent.

    i say that, but dont think for one second im trying to stick up for people who mess with kids. i think they should be executed no 2 ways about it but the sort of unfounded mass-hysteria over pedophilia also worries me a little as well.
     
  17. Hazibell

    Hazibell Well-Known Member

    they were children....
    about 8+
    they didn't delete them straight away
    and it wasn't an accident
    ANYONE who looks at that kind of thing is dangerous...i've checked...it will be sorted
     
  18. xTheBlondex

    xTheBlondex Well-Known Member

    I'm taking a forensic science degree...
    They do have programs that can see files that have been formatted/deleted years ago the only real way to get rid of it is to take out and destroy the hard drive and replace it with a new one!
     
  19. GoldenPsych

    GoldenPsych Well-Known Member

    We had this inspector guy give us a lecture on what is known as internet child abuse and should not be refered to as child porn as porn is usually when it is consented. Here is some stuff from that lecture...
    It tells you about the steps taken to stop it and how they can catch people...

    If you do have any doubts about this guy the police will be able to trace what is is downloading from his IP address.

    Sect 160, Criminal Justice Act 1988
    Creates an offence of, and a statutory defence to, possessing indecent photographs or pseudo-photographs of a child
    Child is a person under 18
    The Consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions is required before proceedings can be instituted

    Abusers MO's

    Purchase of Child Abuse Images over the Internet
    Peer to Peer File Sharing
    Trading Images via Newsgroups
    Establish an Online Tiered Club
    Defrauding other Web Users through deceit
    Purchase of Child Abuse Images over the Internet
    Typically associated with operation ORE
    Abusers pay a subscription to a host site that either overtly, or increasingly covertly, offers child abuse images
    Relatively high likelihood of detection
    Limited pool of abusive images

    Defrauding other Web Users through deceit
    Offenders masquerade as being someone that they are not in order to establish relationships with Web Users
    Offenders don’t only pretend to be children!
    Digital Photos of Web Users and their family members are then exchanged
    Offenders then distribute images within their networks


    Each image recovered by the police will need to be viewed and graded
    The average quantity of images recovered at each Op ORE raid by Nottinghamshire Police in 2005 was just over over 30’000
    The most images recovered by Nottinghamshire Police in a single Op ORE raid is 2.1 million
    Nottinghamshire victims of abuse have been identified
    Nottinghamshire officers have been called to give evidence at trials in the USA

    Frequent Statements made by Offenders during their police interviews:
    “I am not actually harming anyone”
    “I would never physically harm a child”
    “I am not sexually attracted to children”
    “I only saved the images because I have a tidy nature”
    “The children in my pictures enjoyed it!”

    Nottinghamshire has a 100% conviction rate in 2005 for Op ORE indecent images investigations
    Sentences vary from 3 years CRO to 5 years custody
    Social Services are engaged in the process as soon as the police investigation begins
    Children are frequently removed from their homes as a result
    Families, careers and future life prospects are usually destroyed as a consequence of these investigations

    CEOP – Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre
    Excellent advice including information regarding emerging technology, instant messenger, Blogs, Mobiles, Gaming and Social Networking.
    Site includes frequently updated easy to read top tips sections and case studies.
    Site address: www.ceop.gov.uk

    The Global Taskforce is made up of police forces from the UK, Australia, Canada and the USA and offers advice as well as a facility to report suspected abuse.
    On 22 June 2006 Nottinghamshire Police became the first UK police force to secure a “Grooming” conviction based on reports made by Web users to this site.
    Site address: www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com
     
  20. Eric

    Eric Well-Known Member

    This.

    Also, you don't to be a "super leet hightech hacker" to retrieve files that have been "deleted". I have a simple program that retrieves deleted files from the hard drive in a whim.
     
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