Christian is Crap (part 2) Rant from a Rehabilitated Christian

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  1. Priests rape children.

    Some US protestants have hired hitmen to kill their spouses, others have had homosexual affairs with prostitutes.

    And there's a million of other scandals.

    When these Christian LEADERS are tested and tempted by sin, when they get big or famous, when they're on TV, and they receive lots of dough, their true nature is releaved. When they're not able to give the money back. Greed holds it back. And they rationalize it, they defend themselves, their prosperity preachers. A sociopath trait.

    Some of these men probably don't even consider themselves Christian, but are only exploiting their deluded followers, whom I don't pity, poor or not, tho I suspect most of them are Capitalists, who've got nothing against being exploited. Some of these tele-evangelists might have started with good intentions, but then Greed overwhelmed them.

    When your Leaders are this full of shit, your religion has a problem, cuz they represent it, their on top, and how unhumble of you would it be to assume that u have the right interpratation. Now these people think they're right, and ur the imbecile if u disagree. But u think theyre fake. Now what interpretation is the good one. I'm confused, some Christian leaders will say that abortion is good a thing that needs to be celebrated (i'm exaggarating), the United Church.

    Then you've got fundamentalist Morons or Mormons, however u wanna call them, who practice orgy and polygamy.
    And there's many other kinds of these morons.

    It's easy for priests and popes to preach. They've got everything they need. They go out and they talk FOR THEMSELVES. They don't really care about you. They're dreamers and idealogists. ''Oh you're poor but Jesus loves you and I wont worry about you cuz ull get through it and cuz heaven awaits you.'' Their delusion makes them this optimistic and dreamy. And not helpful or realistic. The only way Christians can help u is by deluding you also, then ur gonna be thanking God like an imbecile.

    Now there's real good Christians. I tend to associate REAL CHRISTIANITY to these ones. But maybe theyre just good people, who happen to be Christians. Cuz the overwhelming majority of Christians are fuked up. And it wouldn't be humble and nice of me to assume that theyre fake and im right. So whos the good ones.

    Discussing this is as stupid as trying to explain to a mental retard that flying pigs dont exist. Thats how I feel. Cuz this religion is as stupid as that.

    I personally reject all sins, particularly the deadly ones, cuz UNSELFINESS is the the greatest quality for a cilivized person to have. I am totally against those selfish and capitalist Ayn Rand type of assholes. And the one thing that connects all the 7 deadly sins, from lust to greed is SELFINESS, and 99% of Christians are selfish.

    Christianity doesnt attract the ones with good hearts, they attract all kind of deluded morons.

    The unselfiness ones, can be find in and out of religion. Being good is good, being a Christian is being mentally retarded. Now some good people are mentally retards.

    Now let me hear ur sermons Christian posters. Tell me how Jesus died for me, make me laugh, what are we fuking imbeciles or what?

    Tired of being nice to Christian arrogant hypocrits.
     
  2. Axiom

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    I'm not Christian but .. I don't define a religion because of some/many of its followers.

    You have alot of instances, but to me they are all subject to an individual, not the spiritual beliefe, despite that individuals position with the religion or their numbers.

    i think, you're focusing on the broadcasted sections of Christianity and making a very genera;lised assumption, atleast off of what you've written. Though i do agree, there are so many abuses of power and 'reinterpretted' aspects of religion, beliefe, that are being used for personal gain, but there are a great many who hold christianity to their soul and are positive energies in this exsistence. We just, don't hear as much about them because of many reasons.

    In my views, 100 out of 100 followers can be corrupt. Doesn't mean what they follow is corrupt.
     
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  3. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    As a practical matter I'm a thorough-going materialist and certainly no Christian. Having said that, I'm a bit confused about what it is you're attempting to do with this thread. You seem to have created a logical straw-man to vent your spleen against, and then rather incoherently spray insults that don't make a heck of a lot of sense, candidly.

    Briefly let me highlight where I think you've gone wrong:

    (1) I've never heard a Christian claim they were perfect, or than everyone who claims to be a Christian is perfect. (The pope is a special case, and even he only claims to be perfect when speaking ex cathedra and only then on matters of Catholic doctrine.)

    (2) Christians do bad things, Buddhists do bad things, Moslems do bad things, Jews do bad things, etc., down through Odinists and Zoroastrians. If you have proof that Christians do bad things to others at greater rates than members of other faiths, well, let's see it.

    (3) You accuse Christians of "arrogance" yet:

    Perhaps you could do with a dose of humility yourself?

    (4) You work in some rather odd things that are only tangentially related to Christianity or even not at all.

    The vast majority of LDS or RLDS followers do none of the above. And most Christians, heck all of them in my experience, view the practice as wrong. (And where do you even get the idea of Mormon orgies from? That's a new one on me.)

    I'm no fan of Ayn Rand or Objectivism (her philosophy) but she was an out and out atheist. Ditto all of her followers. To say nothing of the fact that it is quite possible to be a Christian and be something other than a capitalist.

    I could go on, but respond to this and if I'm in error I'll revise my opinion.

    tia,

    Patrick
     
  4. But who are these real Christians you're talking about. When did they go excinct?

    Ok so real christians are good, but they sin, ok. Is that the definition?

    So you and I we know the truth, yeah. And 99% of Christians who think they know the truth, are fake.

    Let me give you an example, those southern americans, when they celebrate murderers' executions? What is that? All those Christians are wrong? But I'm confused, who's right and who's right?

    How about homosexual Christians, should I go debate with them too?

    So a lot of Christians are wrong, and we're right. OK. But they think they're ok. Like the frustrated and arrogant ones that are always mean. OK OK. This is nuts. Can't stand Christians and their supporters.
     
  5. What are u a psychologist. Why are u judging and analyzing me? I'm crazy, sure. But at least I'm not a materalist. Materalists are full of sh!t.
     
  6. Axiom

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    Maybe you should look into beliefe and what it means.

    No that is not a definition. This is decided by the individual as to how they live their lives.

    Please becare with this conceptual form of thinking, you're defining people viciously with this.

    Donno if any christian knows the truth. I know they put faith in their god, but that's not the know all end of it.

    What truth do we know? Are you meaning what you wrote in the previous sentence? I respectfully disagree if that is the case.

    To me this is an instance of individuals making individual choices, not a religion stateing a position. I don't know what you're referencing to, could you link me to what you're talking about?

    Honestly, wou;ldn't be a bad idea. Maybe you wou;ld get a understanding of faith and be;liefe as opposed to harsh instances of lumps of people and 'religion'


    Wrong or right about what? Their beliefe? Our beliefe?
     
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  7. Axiom

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    Regular people :smile: Extroadonary people. Low people. People who don't flaunt their beliefes. People who do flaunt their beliefes. Rebels, followers, ...

    Just a person. :smile: Like anything, the person is where you start from. Those peop;le can meet people like them and make a voice/action or do it on their own. Christians, Muslims, Atheiests, ect..hope you can understand my point of view.
     
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  8. Panther

    Panther Well-Known Member

    Oh, this looks interesting! I was a Christian for 15 years myself, so I can understand why you are ranting about Christianity. Leaving it, or any other religion, can cause a mixture of anger and regret.

    I am not anti-Christian, certainly Christianity has some good morals, but I certainly have a problem with the belief that people who aren't Christians will go to hell.

    Anyway, I haven't read part 1 of your rant yet, but I will try and address some of the points you've made in this particular thread:

    It's true that priests or leaders too often seem to be charged with child abuse or homosexual affairs (not that I think there's anything wrong with homosexuality, but in a lot of Christians' eyes it is classed as sin). Some Christians would say this is the work of Satan, I don't believe in Satan anyway and I don't really have any concrete answers as to why leaders often fall into temptation other than the fact that maybe they're the ones people look up to the most and therefore they find it harder to live up to the (almost) perfection that people expect of them.

    With regards to the leaders who make loads of money, that does make me angry, I could have a major rant about that but for now I won't.

    I'm reading through your first post and you obviously have an issue with Christian leaders, which I can understand - I was in a church that controlled my life for years eg. by saying you had to give 10% of your money to the church or you were robbing God (you know, the old guilt trip), and I knew the pastors pretty well so they could get away with quite a lot, and of course because I was such a good boy and 'didn't want to rebel against God and the leaders he has chosen', I took the bait. It took a major breakdown and my subsequent departure from Christianity to break free from all this. I'm sure there are some genuine good leaders out there that do care for people, but I'm tempted to think they're not in the majority. But like I have said, people do expect leaders to be a lot more godly and live an almost faultless lifestyle, so when they don't meet our expectations we look down on them.

    I however disagree with your assertion that the majority of Christians are fucked up, I have quite a few good Christian friends back home that aren't. And there are Christians who are genuine good people who have good hearts.

    This is the only post I have read from you so far so I don't know how long you have been out of Christianity, I would highly recommend, if it is allowed on this site, for you to go to the forum www.ex-christian.net, this forum was the main reason I recovered from my breakdown and subsequent loss of faith, and if you ever need to rant about anything feel free to PM me.

    I will read your other thread later and maybe cover some further points in this thread but my internet session at the library is about to close. Also not being funny but I doubt this is the kind of forum where you want to make arguments with Christians, the forum I suggested is good for that.

    take care
     
  9. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    LOL, no. Anything but.

    Why are you judging and analyzing Christians?

    And I don't think I'm judging you, but what you're saying candidly is not making a hell of a lot of sense without some analysis, though I guess I wasn't aware of it as I was doing it.

    People in general are full of shit in my experience. So I suppose the majority of materialists are as well. But what is it about being a materialist specifically that makes one "full of shit?"
     
  10. Darken

    Darken Well-Known Member

    I think what the OP was trying to say is; Religion doesnt make you a better person, you are deluded if you think you are some how more moral than other humans because of your specific religion.

    And I definitely agree.
     
  11. sadsong

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    it's people that screw up religion and positions of trust, and are greedy and selfish.

    It's people who let others down, who betray, who always disappoint.

    People are never perfect, any Christian who believes they are perfect is mistaken. People are always going to mess up. They don't mess up because they are a Christian, they mess up because they are a human.
     
  12. worlds edge

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    It may in some cases, it may not in others. To use an example I've actually seen: If someone is able to overcome drug addiction by finding Jesus who am I to rain on their parade? Perhaps they are only substituting one form of addiction for another, but at least with the new addiction they're able to get up and go to work, don't steal from anyone, don't wrap their pick-up trucks around oak trees, that sort of thing. Going the other way, the collection of imbeciles known as the Westboro Baptist Church certainly seem much worse off for being Christians than they would be otherwise.

    The OP also doesn't address religion in general, he/she refers only to Christianity.

    I can -- and do -- get quite nasty if someone harps on me to convert to whatever it is they believe, but I see no reason to go out of my way to piss on somebody elses' deeply held beliefs without provocation. And that is precisely how I read the OP.

    Errm, no. He (or she) calls Christians "retards" and "deluded morons" for their beliefs. Rather strong language from where I'm sitting. And also unfair.
     
  13. of all the morons out there uve found fred helps to hate?

    i love good christians, i hate the arrogant ones, i enjoy exposing them for the perverts they are, i actually dont even hate phelps, dunno y everyone is picking on him, seems like a great guy to me
     
  14. Panther

    Panther Well-Known Member

    I will try and restrain myself a bit and not say what I really think, but I agree with gmork's last post.
     
  15. Panther

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    i'm hoping this is just a phase you're going through, but if you're in support of that evil f***ing Fred Phelps and enjoying exposing Christians for being perverts, then I'll take back anything I made in my first post and forget about wanting to help you, you sound like a very bitter person who just wants to blame Christianity for all your problems, and I'm not sure you actually want help. If this is not what you are, then please don't make posts like your previous one.
     
  16. Axiom

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

    You like this guy? :unsure:


    Well, if you think he's a great guy, .. you are definatly at another end of spectrum compared to someone like me. You hate Christianity? .. and you think he's a great guy? Kinda curious as to why you like him
     
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  17. Panther

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    Personally I wouldn't call Fred Phelps a Christian, I don't think any religion really deserves to have scumfaces like that under its name. Anyone whose church can picket funerals of a soldier and say that God killed him because he was fighting for America and God hates America .. well, people like that cannot be called human beings.
     
  18. Fred Phelps is possibly the only true Christian minister in America.

    He has his own way of interpreting the Bible. He also seems very intelligent.

    He hates people he views as COMPLETELY FUKED UP. The United Church likes abortion, where's your hate for those people. Now of course ull say i don't hate him, like im some fuking imbecile, of course u hate him.

    And I like him exposing Christians for the perverts that they are.

    You people hate me now cuz I like him, that shows your hypocrisy. It's not complicated. He is doing nothing illegal, so why hate him? Go hate those Christian pornstars or abortionists or something.

    Yeah, I'm bitter. I like when people judge and analyze me, it's fun. I am beyond that.

    Fred Phelps is a Democrat, and he takes ZERO donations. They're all lawyers in his family, and they've never sued a soul, when they could have.

    Now I'll name some names for you people to hate All these men and women are much worse than Phelps. Phelps at least has the guts to go out and practice what he believes. What are these other morons doing, exploiting fools out of their money.

    Joel Osteen, John Hagee, Joyce Meyer, Pat Robertson, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, Juanita Bynum, Robert Schuller, Rodney Howard-Browne, T.D. Jakes, Paula And Randy White, James MacDonald, Oral Roberts, Mike Murdock, Jim and Tammy Bakker, James Eugene Ewing, etc. etc.

    And that homosexual priest that says being f* in the ass is a holy thing. While Phelps preaches what's in the Bible, cuz as we all know for every passage on love in the bible theres 10 on hate.
     
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  19. I can edit, but I can't delete this post, how nuts.
     
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  20. Now you people will say, oh I don't approve of benny hinn or the homosexual priest.

    But im not feeling the same intensity in hatred and anger towards them. Maybe cuz Phelps is exposing fools for the perverts they are. Yeah and the perverts dont like it, thus the friction.

    I know that you people can't stand someone with different views, I know that you close-minded people will stop responding to me now.
     
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