Communism vs Capitalism

Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by The Scream, Jan 18, 2011.

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  1. The Scream

    The Scream Well-Known Member

    Would you rather live in China or the USA? :D

    anyway, do you prefer communism or capitalism? and why? =]

    i definately chose communism over capitalism, both systems do have their disadvantages, however communism is still better in my opinion...
  2. In Limbo

    In Limbo Forum Buddy

    Communism would be better if any regime claimed to use it, did so...
  3. Lovecraft

    Lovecraft Well-Known Member

    In theory I like the concepts of communism. In practice governments get too corrupt and shouldn't have too much power.
  4. Deleted SKU

    Deleted SKU Well-Known Member

    The ideal world would have a communist morality, and a libertarian construct. No need for laws, because everyone looked out for each other anyway.

    In practice, no current system works, because they are all based on single overriding ideology, which people think can be applied indiscriminately. A communist system wont work because people are selfish, and those who are able to get themselves into control of this system, will abuse it. Capitalism wont (doesn't) work because people are selfish, and the system is based on the idea of riding over the top of everyone else, and ignoring the pain of those at the bottom.
  5. SuperJerk

    SuperJerk Account Closed

    Basically this is how I feel about both systems.
  6. Meta

    Meta Active Member

    Giving people a position where they can treat others like numbers will not work, regardless of the philosophy.
  7. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Stateside, even the poorest their are going to be better off than the poorest Chinese.
  8. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    dont let yourself be trapped in those to narrow ideological boxes.

    Anyone with two brain cells is capable of seeing that all modern societies are a mixes of both elements of capitalism and socialism.

    Personally, I believe we need a well regulated financial and corporate sector. It is the job of the US Gov. under constitutional mandate to provide for the common welfare and regulate commerce.

    If left unchecked, a corporation would sell you lead tainted baby formula if it increased their bottom line.

    That is why we have a Gov... To look out for the common welfare and protect the population.

    Much of hte reason we are in the economic situation we are in now is do to lax regulation. We got rid of many of the safeguards put in place after the great depression to ensure banks solvency and ethical practices and consumer safety. Even greenspan admitted it was a mistake to think that the financial sector would self regulate in their own interests.

    It is also crucial to have a strong safety net. It is not beneficial to society to have tons of homeless and sick and uneducated. This is common sense and needs no further explanation.

    If you agree that fuedalism is not what we want. ie Rich lords and the rest poor peasants, ...... then you will agree

    it is also very important to have some type of equitable wealth distribution. Right now the top 1% has nearly 40 percent of the wealth. The bottom eighty percent only has twenty. Thus there is not enough demand in the economy and the middle class is dying. Anyone with any intelligence can see that wealth inequality this great is no good for society. In fact, the last time we had wealth inequality this great was right before the great depression.

    PPL also forget that without the Gov and unions we would still probly be working in the mines for company tokens only good at company stores. And we would have started in the mines when we were eight. Yes corporations really sent kids into the mines and really paid peanut wages. Hell they didnt even pay in money. They owned your house , they owned you!

    So to think the magical invisible hand will save us is completely idiotic and untrue. History shows otherwise.

    I believe it was a big mistake to allow corporations to outsource our manufacturing base, which is what created Americas middle class. But you know waht: corporations do not care

    Corporations have no interest other than the bottom line, they have no cares whether or not their actions detriment society or individuals thus we need regulators and laws to protect the people and society

    Most of this is common sense and morals.

    Some believe that capitalism will eventually lead to one tyrant monopoly with all the wealth. Essentiall fuedalism. thus the ppl should own the means of production and take part in the decisions that directly affect their lives. This is direct democracy. This is pure socialism.
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  9. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    Not better off than in the Netherlands or Canada or France
  10. wastedmylife

    wastedmylife Well-Known Member

    I grew up thinking Communism is evil because that is what we are told, but the more I see the right wingers speaking their minds in America, the more I am sympathetic to the communists

    to me the right wingers in America are the most evil people on the planet
  11. The Scream

    The Scream Well-Known Member

    I doubt that.

    the difference between rich and poor is waaaaaaay larger in the states then in china.
  12. NoMoneyToPlease

    NoMoneyToPlease Banned Member

    Is China still Communist in principle?
    Can it still be viewed as a Communist state?
  13. sunshinesblack

    sunshinesblack Well-Known Member

    so true, am from a post comunist country and my opinion is, its not as much about the title but the content (comunism as generous as the concept is did noting good here, it keept most people indoctrinated, uneducated and poor) than came capitalism but um its not that good either since the politicians are the same just changed hat, people know they r being robed and want batter.....EU forces more liberal mesurments upon the legislation(the local authorythis dont want to change) and thats good, i see china being comunist by name but they dont apply the principles as much they r open to export more then most capitalist countryes and they have serious gaps between social classes

    I dont believe much in politics anymore, i guess its for UK (and some other european countryes) and USA citizens ...for the rest of the world there is no such thing just fighting ur way thro a very complex and multifaceted system
  14. jota1

    jota1 Well-Known Member

    I like to quote Adrian Rogers! Like him or not this is just sensible.

    "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
  15. A1231988

    A1231988 Well-Known Member

    As others have mentioned, Communism is never correctly implemented.
  16. jota1

    jota1 Well-Known Member

    Because its an Utopian concept that does not take into consideration the quality's and defects of human nature.
  17. sunshinesblack

    sunshinesblack Well-Known Member

    so is believeing in politcs :p
  18. sunshinesblack

    sunshinesblack Well-Known Member

    good quote

    but i think there is also the culture issue
    whilest money does controll ones life (the less it is ussualy) there r benefits to culture/freedom capitalism has bought and closeminded communism does not, and it rises life quality for a lot of people as individuals instead of forceing them to conform in equal mysery
    Also while it has its significant fails i think it still makes for a lot of social mobility .....

    Also regarding communism .....dont think people want to be equal by nature rather circumstance and thats why it fails

    Its a opressed population dream, the moment that population rises a bit it stopes believeing in equality
    Check out the nations thet where/are communist and you will see extreme social inequity before that (historically close to theyr communist conversion)and no not haveing health inshurence does not count, most of these countryes had feudal sistems so basically most people belonged to a landlord for whom they worked to survive and it was lawfull for the landlord to do whatever he pleapleases with them (including not lettign them marry or kill them for tring to run away)....kinda like slavery China also had somethign simmilar and a cast sistem ....
  19. Mikeintx

    Mikeintx Well-Known Member

    qft :)
  20. Mikeintx

    Mikeintx Well-Known Member

    Another good post.
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