Controlling Life (may trigger)

Discussion in 'Soap Box' started by Prof.Bruttenholm, May 9, 2011.

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  1. Prof.Bruttenholm

    Prof.Bruttenholm Well-Known Member

    Note: This thread does NOT promote the action or consideration of suicide.

    Many may remember the story of Terry Shaivo ( which I may have spelled wrong, but who cares?), she was a woman who was rendered a vegetable and many were fighting to take her off life support while others wanted to leave her on.
    You may be wondering what the point of this is, many people who were claiming that the vegetable should be kept alive claimed that to decide when she died was to play God and that all life is precious.

    I raise these points ( regardless of what anyone posts, I don't care, this is a soap box, not a panel of discussion, I am ranting ).

    1. Playing God does not define a Frankenstein like event, if you are playing God by removing her from life support, aren't you in turn doing the same by keeping her alive? By all account, the vegetable would have died on it's own but instead doctors hooked her up to a machine, Playing God by deciding when she lives, in turn, isn't all medicine playing God? If you take any form of treatment to prolong your life and improve your health you're playing God by deciding when you live, but that is not up to the individual, it is up to God.

    2. Is it living? No. It is selfish, it is the 7 fundamentals of humanity, you call them the 7 sins, Gluttony, Pride, Envy, Sloth, Lust, Greed and Wrath; it is out of these seven that someone subjects their "loved one" to such a hellish existence of vegetation where in, all the body can do is lay and process fecal matter and urine into nice, tidy bags.

    Humans are not but parasitic beings fueled by the 7 fundamentals.
    It is the 7 that is the cause of the destruction, disease and ruin that has plagued this world. It is the 7 that justifies all human action and thought, including, Religion, Murder, Genocide, Business and Politics.
    Denial is admittance, to deny this truth is to admit Pride.
     
  2. Prinnctopher's Belt

    Prinnctopher's Belt Antiquities Friend SF Supporter

    Not really, since god created the doctors and the medicine and all other circumstance. Not religious but just using your reference.

    Regarding comatose patients, some of them are not vegetables who are not conscious of their surroundings, despite what doctors say.

     
  3. Prof.Bruttenholm

    Prof.Bruttenholm Well-Known Member

    God also made murderers, rapists and drug dealers.
    Is it an existence you would choose to endure?
    Would you willingly subject someone you "care" about to it?
     
  4. Prinnctopher's Belt

    Prinnctopher's Belt Antiquities Friend SF Supporter


    Sure I'd give someone in a coma a chance if I was a doctor with the ability to do so. I'm no killer.

    Is it something I would choose to endure? I wouldn't know since they say you don't know how you'd respond to something so tragic until it actually happens and you're in that position. I don't know.

    God made all things, so it's said. It doesn't only apply to things people perceive as sugar spice and everything nice, but things we perceive as evil as well. If I recall correctly, the LAWD not only created the light, but also the darkness, the Alpha AND omega, and ALL things.

    For some reason people seem to be of the belief that the way humans perceive things morally as good or bad actually matters in the objective scheme of things. It doesn't, because concepts like good and bad, favorable and unfavorable don't exist beyond the conscience.
     
  5. zzz

    zzz Well-Known Member

    Remove the feeling of being a parasitic being and you will find that you are not that.

    These are choices, not fundamentals.
     
  6. Prof.Bruttenholm

    Prof.Bruttenholm Well-Known Member


    All creatures form an equilibrium with their environment, taking what is needed for survival, eating,hunting, being hunted, mating, but humans do not, they mate for fun or perverse notions, they birth for no rational reason, they devour more than needed and waste more than they have, they spread across any land, not in a nomadic sense but like waves, crashing into their new environment and tearing it apart until it is theirs and blaming that which they destroyed for their problems.
    Fools cut down forests and build homes and then blame coyotes, wolves and other manner of creature for attacking them on their property.

    The human is a parasite.

    The seven are not choice, they are the reason for all human action.
    Pride, Gluttony, Wrath and Envy are the cause of war, strife, destruction, obesity, murder and much more.
    Lust, Envy and Gluttony are the cause of affairs, perverse sexual acts and sadistic and masochistic acts.

    Why have a house larger than needed for living? Pride, Greed, Envy.
    Why have a job that pays more than is humanly needed? Greed, Gluttony.
    Why devour more than is needed? Greed, Gluttony, Wrath.
    Why attack someone? Wrath, Envy, Greed, Pride.
    Why birth children (especially when so many are up for adoption)? Lust, Pride.
    Why invent video games, pornography and television? Sloth, Envy, Lust.
    Why invent nuclear weapons? Pride, Wrath, Envy, Greed.
    Why dress in fine clothes? Greed, Pride.
     
  7. zzz

    zzz Well-Known Member

    So you are absolving yourself from all personal responsibility for your actions.

    I sympathize with your post and totally agree that the world is currently driven by vice, but the vices were originally inculcated by choice and have grown into an almost unstoppable force of habit.
     
  8. Prof.Bruttenholm

    Prof.Bruttenholm Well-Known Member

    There is no absolving.

    Humans have always been driven the 7 fundamentals.
    Even as troglodytes, neanderthals and nomadic tribes.

    Even the one called God is driven by these fundamentals, Wrath being it's favorite.
     
  9. zzz

    zzz Well-Known Member

    You don’t really believe this nonsense. Seriously, the one you yearn to find, your true self, does not believe this. It can’t believe it because it’s not true. And you have witnessed and recorded everything you’ve ever done so you do know the truth.
     
  10. Prof.Bruttenholm

    Prof.Bruttenholm Well-Known Member

    Pride defines that thought of yours, Pride that you know the truth, Pride that you can't be wrong.
     
  11. doityourself

    doityourself Well-Known Member

    I think thats why we all have to be prepared for anything and not to depend on others to make those decisions for us.

    I have a DNR, a will and exactly what I want done with my ashes, there is no question to what I want. I did this because me and my H has differant beliefs just like alot of others and wanted to make sure that whats done is what I want not his or others around him trying to put thier opinions in.
     
  12. zzz

    zzz Well-Known Member

     
  13. Prof.Bruttenholm

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  14. Axiom

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    That's a circular argument, since it can be applied to you and your statements, from my pride like selfish asshole prick point of view.
     
  15. zzz

    zzz Well-Known Member

    This is an expression of the content of your mind, not mine.

    If we are truly nothing but parasitic beings controlled by these seven vices, then what is the point of your original post.

    We would surely all be happy with what we are.

    But you seam to be offering resistance, seeking change.

    Change to what?
     
  16. OrbitalPoet

    OrbitalPoet Active Member

    Prof., I think you are making an existence from a pile of dust. For example;

    All creatures, from single cell organisms up, do exactly as you have described above. There were a number of extinctions on this planet long before humans came along. Early in the piece, simple organisms processed the CO2 that was in the atmosphere, producing O2 as a waste product. (The atmosphere was mostly composed of Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide at that point.) At what point did they stop? Yep, when the CO2 levels had dropped to the point that the creatures died out, they were being poisoned by the high O2 level. And this has nothing to do with seven of anything. It just is. The machines do what they do, until they destroy themselves, because they ARE NOT CONSCIOUS OF WHAT THEY DO, they are just running down after having been set in motion.

    Your OP illustrates a problem many people have. They think that they are thinking, that they have a purpose, some reason for doing what they do. All bullshit. We are the same as our long dead single cell ancestors, we will continue until we are no more, all else is delusion.

    John.
     
  17. Prof.Bruttenholm

    Prof.Bruttenholm Well-Known Member

    So says the prideful fool who thinks himself smart for repeating what others have taught him.

    But none of this matters. I am no longer posting on this site.
    I only want to die.
     
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