Direct Response to Mordeci and Ron Paul

Discussion in 'Soap Box' started by Edgar Roni Figaro, Oct 27, 2011.

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  1. Edgar Roni Figaro

    Edgar Roni Figaro Well-Known Member

    <mod edit: *sparkle* : insulting> . Ron Paul is not an isolationist unless of course the only source of your information is Fox News and MSNBC. I find it amazing how well you regurgitate the talking points of the MSM.

    Ron Paul is a non-interventionist. I know that is a big word but try and look it up and understand the definition. Our Founding Fathers were non-interventionists you do remember those people right? The one's who founded our country? A non-interventionist respects the sovereignty of other nations and is unwilling to bomb their people to death by the tens of thousands with no congressional power. A non-interventionist is willing to trade with all nations and refuse to get into entangling alliances that puts its own people at risk in wars for other nations benefits.

    "Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and Morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and, at no distant period, a great Nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt, that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages, which might be lost by a steady adherence to it?"
    ~ George Washington, Farewell Address to the People of the United States, September 17, 1796

    "Friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none". Exploring the foreign policy principles of Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc., with emphasis on neutrality and nonintervention.

    Now let's compare that with Ron Paul.

    "It is not we non-interventionists who are isolationsists. The real isolationists are those who impose sanctions and embargoes on countries and peoples across the globe because they disagree with the internal and foreign policies of their leaders. The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seek change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example." - Ron Paul

    Now my question in what world do you accuse Ron Paul of being an isolationist? Do you know the definition of isolationism? An isolationist is a nation that goes it alone without the world community. An isolationist bombs other nations without consent from the rest of the world. An isolationist puts sanctions on other countries trade to destroy their economy. Perhaps now you know who the real isolationists are.

    On to your next point.

    You think ending the Federal Reserve System is insane? From the moment the Federal Reserve System was enacted in 1913 to July, 2011 the United States dollar has lost 99.9% of its total value. When Ron Paul fought to audit the Federal Reserve and everyone else fought against him saying the Federal Reserve already has internal audits people like you mocked Ron Paul. When a partial audit of the fed was done only because of Ron Paul and his bill that passed both the House and Senate it was discovered that the Fed had given out over 13 trillion dollars of United States money to foreign banks without the consent of the congress or the people of the United States.

    It was Ron Paul and Ron Paul alone who through his tireless efforts against <mod edit: *sparkle* : insulting>was able to find the single largest piece of fraud against the American people in US history. And you can say with a straight face that an organization that privately siphoned off 13 trillion dollars from the American people should be allowed to continue to exist?

    Next you attack Ron Paul for insisting that the market be responsible for itself as opposed to having the government back up the market. You say it is insane to let the system determine what monetary system should be used. Yet we already know that socialism is alive and well in the US and that major banks and corporations that would never have taken the insane risks that they did under a free market capital system like Ron Paul advocates were willing to dish out trillions of dollars in toxic loans knowing full well under the current system the government would not let them fail and would bail them out with trillions of dollars of tax payer money while the middle and poor classes lost all their homes and jobs in the process.

    So let me get this straight. Under your belief system it is perfectly sane for the government to bail out big business and big banks allowing them to do totally irrational things they would never do under the system Ron Paul advocates? Because under Ron Paul's system when a bank fails or a corporation fails, it fails without the help of the US taxpayer making all those corporations and banks act like grown ups instead of little children who think they can get away with everything while screwing the average American worker.

    <mod edit: *sparkle* : insulting> I could rip apart every single argument you make just on my constitutional knowledge alone. And all I am is an average American citizen who cares about his country, the soldiers who fight endless wars while dying and being wounded for corporations, the people who are bombed to death overseas for wars that give us resources so <mod edit: *sparkle* : insulting>can continue to live a 1st world lifestyle while not spending even 1/100th the amount of time you spend watching tv, researching your own damned Constitution and the problems your own country is causing to the rest of the world.

    BTW how is Obama working out for you? I see he renewed the Patriot Act, started a new war with Libya, has kept Guantanamo Bay open, and continues to extradite US citizens to other nations to be tortured without trial or due process. Boy sounds alot like George Bush doesn't it? I guess that is what happens when you vote for someone based on a 15 character line of "Hope and Change" and don't do any research on your own or follow your civic duty to actually be informed.
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  2. Xaos

    Xaos Well-Known Member

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  4. absolution

    absolution Forum Buddy

    Oi.... :blink:

  5. Mordeci

    Mordeci Banned Member

    you know what, I had enough bullies like you dictated my life long enough, I am done with this forum, and I am done with you and your superority complex, wine and moan all you want, no one is listening.
  6. absolution

    absolution Forum Buddy

    :hug: Don't be done with the forum because of him hun. Stay.
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