Does Anarchy Work?

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would anarchy really work?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. saint6

    saint6 Well-Known Member

    well instead of going off topic in other threads i made my own:biggrin:

    I know everyone knows the basic idea of anarchy, but will it actually work in a society? will their be chaos without some kind of higher authority? or will their be peace?

    go ahead and give your thoughts.
     
  2. smackh2o

    smackh2o SF Supporter

    One word. Humanity.
     
  3. OutCaste

    OutCaste Well-Known Member

    In my opinion, no.

    Growing up I too like many others around me was fascinated with *cool* ideas like communism, anarchy, dictatorship, revolution etc etc but later on I realized its such a farce.
     
  4. fromthatshow

    fromthatshow Staff Alumni

    Yes definitely. It's the only way to go. Completely allowing and accepting of all. Let there be chaos. Let all break free and be free.
     
  5. Robin

    Robin Guest

    Whereas the truth of human nature is, free from the risk of retribution, let the weak suffer. Who here feels comfortable going out and making friends? Now imagine fighting for your life just to eat for a day.

    The schools full of bullies who make the lives of countless children a misery, if you've been so scarred then anarchy is no reprieve.

    It's just a cool sounding word.
     
  6. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    Of course not. I know it sounds cool in theory "fuck the police etc" But in reality there are simply too many evil people in the world for everyone to be treated fairly. We are pack animals, for us as a species to survive we have to stick together and work together for us to succeed.

    "It's just a cool sounding word."
     
  7. fromthatshow

    fromthatshow Staff Alumni

    Is this humanity's true nature? I disagree.
     
  8. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    Actually, I'm not so sure of this. There are seemingly an unlimited number of variants of anarchism currently floating around out there, from "anarcho-communism" (vaguely Trotskyist in my mind) to "anarcho-syndicalism" (utopian socialism) to "anarcho-capitalism" (hardcore libertarian) even to the rather odd neo-fascist/black nationalist "national anarchism" (I'm not even going to try to guess about this one). And none of these seem all that sympathetic to the "classical" anarchism of a Proudhoun or Bakunin from the 19th century, in that they seemingly all have some sort of cadre structure working toward revolution via party discipline vs. the spontaneous world-wide uprising of the "classical" variant.

    I think a variant of anarchosyndicalism actually worked for a while in at least one part of Spain prior to Franco taking over. I've also heard about areas that were under control of self-described anarchists during the Russian Revolution...but the ones that the Reds didn't shoot the Whites did. I'm also not sure if they ever were able to move from theory to practice, they were always under extreme military pressure.

    Overall, I'd say probably not, but I don't completely rule it out.
     
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  9. JohnADreams

    JohnADreams Well-Known Member

    Anarchy in the sense of a society with zero power structures or one where individuals with the most strength or the ones with the most capital are free to replace government as the major source of opression, no.
    Anarchy in the sense of freedom from the often misued, centralised power of the state, maybe. It would depend entirely on the emotional maturity of the public and their willingness to embrace responsibility and co-operation. So, pretty unlikely but still slightly possible.
     
  10. Robin

    Robin Guest

    Well .. I think we have some more evolving to do first :)
     
  11. Anime-Zodiac

    Anime-Zodiac Well-Known Member

    Human nature doesn't allow for anarchism at even it's lowest potential. Only angels from heaven could follow this path.
     
  12. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    It would not work. First of all, only the strongest would keep up with it, and the strongest would by no means mean that they'd be good; on the contrary, the strongest usually fall into the line of evil. Secondly, it'd only be a matter of time until people would group together in order to more easily keep some stability, thus already marking the beginning of the end for anarchy. The intellects of the overwhelmingly vast majority of humans are simply not sufficient enough to handle anarchy, just like the overwhelmingly vast majority of humans cannot fully handle democracy.
     
  13. saint6

    saint6 Well-Known Member

    i believe that anarchy would work, its going to have flaws here and there but everything does. anarchy will bring us equality and the right to live how we want.

    people might say that it will just raise the crime rate since there is no police, but i dont necessarily believe that it will. think about it, everyone probably would own a gun since there is no police, and the main reason for people not to commit crimes is that the police have guns/weapons to stop them. if everyone carries a gun we would be our own police. do you honestly think that someone would try to rob a liquor store/a bank/your house if they know that everyone in there has a gun? or someone would try to hijack a plane if every passenger is carrying a gun? no. no one would have the since unless their crazy to try that. and people might also say that there would be more murders, not true at all, if someone wants to kill someone they are able to do it with or without a government. just because "anarchy" is taking place wont make someone a murderer. if your a murderer, you a murderer, it doesnt matter if your under government control or no control at all. everyone has the knowledge of whats "right" and whats "wrong". we dont need laws/religion/authority/etc. to tell us whats "right" and "wrong". Anarchy will work, it proved that to us in history.
     
  14. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Do not get me wrong, though; democracy does not at all mean it's good. Also, full democracy is not even possible; in actuality, democracy does not and undoubtedly has never existed in larger groups.
     
  15. bleach

    bleach Well-Known Member

    Why don't you ask the Somalians how it's working out?
     
  16. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    Anarchy would not work even if most people wanted it (which I doubt even a tiny fraction really do).

    What you would have would be total chaos and you would never be able to sleep without keeping one eye open. Decent people would be terrified 24/7 and would likely starve to death or become prey. What would end up happening is that governments would start to rise once more. People who were tired of living in constant fear and having to fight every minute to stay alive and safe would band together and start to protect themselves with numbers. They would create rules for their communities and sooner or later, things would be back the way they are now.

    Human nature is dominated by the instinct to preserve ones self. You can have it one of two ways. You can fight off the dogs every minute of your life or you can live within the constraints of a relatively civilized society with rules and customs to abide by. The latter sounds more appealing to me.
     
  17. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member


    If there where no police and everyone had a gun... there would be no crime...
    You can't honestly believe that.

    All that fucking brings about is gangs of armed men with no one to keep them in check.
     
  18. saint6

    saint6 Well-Known Member

    i honestly dont even know what i believe in anymore... everything is just so fucked up
     
  19. LetItGo

    LetItGo Staff Alumni

    Im in favour of a direct democratic model myself, but that would involve people taking a complete 360 change in mindset, from hating government to actually being part of it. Aside from a sense of inconvenience, what do you think would be the likely result of citizens attending public debates, maybe 1 day a month, with their peers in towns and villages across any given country talking about the issues that effect them locally and nationally? Do you think this might result in laws that people can respect? government action and inaction that people understand? a sense of belonging in their community? If you introduce people to the idea during high school, give them a couple years to grow in confidence and familiarize themselves with their role in the system, start teaching civics and politics in high school as a core subject. They can start attending public gatherings at 18 or 21, youve created a whole new dynamic of interaction between government and the people.

    Id like to see a country brave enough to try it, its gotta be an improvement on the "elected representative" system we have now which does little more than alienate the people they apparently represent.
     
  20. fromthatshow

    fromthatshow Staff Alumni

    people will try to rationalize all the reasons why anarchy won't work. In my heart I know it can though. As I said before man, don't let people bring you down on your beliefs. Discuss it, but anarchy is not a popular belief.

    Follow your heart, not your head!

    :hug:
     
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