Does anyone give a damn about the poor without health care?

Discussion in 'Soap Box' started by Prinnctopher's Belt, Mar 22, 2010.

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What do you think?

  1. Yes, this is what we need

    26 vote(s)
    70.3%
  2. No, we don't need this

    8 vote(s)
    21.6%
  3. Unsure

    1 vote(s)
    2.7%
  4. Don't give a damn about poor people

    2 vote(s)
    5.4%
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  1. Prinnctopher's Belt

    Prinnctopher's Belt Antiquities Friend SF Supporter

    When are people going to get some free health care for the poor for goodness sakes! I think all people living in poverty and people unemployed or underemployed in poverty, who don't have health care through a job, should be eligible to receive free health care, or at least reasonable health care that doesn't exceed 10% of their monthly income if they're working.

    There's always Medicaid, but there are also qualifications that many people don't meet to receive or benefit from Medicaid. There, too, are free clinics, but they're so low-quality, you may as well just stay home and work with home remedies. And dental and psychiatric care should fall under such a free or reasonably priced health care plan. I'm tired of not being able to go to the dentist or go see a damn psychologist because I can't afford it with my other expenses. This is insanity.

    I have no idea what those politicians on Capitol Hill have written up, but they need something geared particularly toward the most needy people in this country who are struggling the most.
     
  2. Sadeyes

    Sadeyes Staff Alumni

    The Health Care Bill passed the House today (219-212) which is the best our country has done in over 45 years...here's to compassion!...J
     
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  3. lightbeam

    lightbeam Antiquities Friend

    Yays! It's about time!
     
  4. Prinnctopher's Belt

    Prinnctopher's Belt Antiquities Friend SF Supporter

    So has anyone read it? I haven't, so I have no opinion on it.
     
  5. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

  6. plates

    plates Well-Known Member

    I don't know, but that doesn't sound compassionate to me, it sounds horrific and way too late for how many over the last 45 years?
     
  7. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    Better late than never. This is compassion, the Republican vote was not.
     
  8. Abacus21

    Abacus21 Staff Alumni

    Sounds like it's the right thing, to me!
     
  9. Sadeyes

    Sadeyes Staff Alumni

    GGG, the original bill which would have insured many more ppl could not get out of the Senate, so this is the best version they could pass...the original bill was over 2000 pages; read an abridged version...looks like the best that could have been done in the present political climate...J
     
  10. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    23 million uninsured by the senate version, 17 million by the house version. 20 billion dollar per year difference... Unfortunately, parts of it will be struck down by judicial challenges, but let's hope most of it holds up...
     
  11. wastedmylife

    wastedmylife Well-Known Member

    2 years ago I would have cared, but no I don't give a shit about anyone but myself

    all the poor people could die for all I care

    In many ways I will benefit if a large portion of the population dies

    I care about no one at this point, save for a few people maybe
     
  12. nos nomed

    nos nomed Well-Known Member

    First off there is no such thing as free everything cost someone something. Second that bill is not health care reform its insurance reform it doesn't change health care services one bit. Now before you all jump on the bandwagon of all the hype I ask you to stop and think for a minute. The bill is 931 billion dollars over the next ten years. So where are they gonna get this money?? They say they are gonna tax health care companies but if there providing health care isn't that already cutting a great deal into the money those companies make. Most will fold out of lack of customers or high government fees. Guess what that means more unemployed people and more money that has to be made up.

    Here's what will happen, the same thing that happens for everything the government needs money for. They will sneak it in in tax increases they hope to slide in on every american and hope that the majority doesn't notice. Then we have to pay for all these new government employees working in their health care offices guess where that comes from yep more taxes. So as you see right off the bat we have increased the amount of money they take and so many people will say its for the best because they are too lazy to run their own lives and would rather have someone else baby them and take care of their needs.

    Next and the big part of it is there are no quoted price ranges at all on this. Knowing our government they will take the amount people pay sum it up and then subtract 10 dollars off of it and say your getting a deal because the average american payed 300 a month for family health care and we are offering it a 290. What we do know is that if you don't pay for their health care you are subject to a 690 dollar fine per year!! Seriously so now the government has decided that my freedom of choice (which is what makes america, america) is going to cost me a minimum of 700 dollars a year. If you don't see the wrong in that then you are blind. I personally do good to pay my bills every month and afford food. I sure can't afford 700 dollars because I can't afford to pay even more for a health care coverage that the government thinks I should pay for. For once if you open your eyes the republicans are actually fighting for your rights as an american.

    Now poor people do need assistance with medical situations oddly me and my dad were kicked off of tenncare for being too healthy go figure. But what heath care reform should of focused on was addressing the issue of making prices of health care attainable by those without a lot of money. How would they do this you ask. Well maybe first they crack down on the amount of money doctors are forced to spend on lawyers because everyone fears a malpractice suit ruining their career and lets fact it there are alot of greedy hands out there that try to sue doctors for things which should never be brought to term. Now if a doctor truely messed something up then the lawsuit is understandable but people sue because "the doctor said he could fix my carpel tunnel and after the surgery my hand still hurts from time to time and doesn't feel like it did when I was 20"

    Second offer incentives for startup companies that offer competitive rates and more package options. Some companies had started programs where your insurance money was treated like a savings account and if you paid x amount and didn't use all of it that year you are entitled to a refund of unused portions.

    What we really don't need is another government run business. Think about it what has the government ever run successfully social sucurity? Finacial analyst said years ago that according to calculations social security would dry up entirely by 2030 yet they are still taking it out of our checks and most of us will never see that benefit because our government took the money and blew it. Also the government at one point confiscated the most profitable adult companion business in Nevada a company that ran itsself and within a week of owning it they ran it bankrupt. Now they want us to give them money for health care?

    You do realize how this is gonna go right $50 extra a month because you smoke $50 extra a month because you are overweight $50 extra because you have consumed alcohol $50 extra because you have a family history of illness $50 extra because you have been diagnosed mentally ill.

    Also now that they have taken this freedom whats next government food credits you have to buy to get food and your only allowed vegetables rice and fish at affordable rates you can buy a hamburger but there are 10 dollars in government taxes on it because they cause obesity and therefore are a health risk to americans.
     
  13. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    I like the combination of your posts here and in the deficit thread. In this one: where's the money coming from to help the poor people? In the other one: let's spend on the military and keep the taxes low on the very wealthy!
     
  14. fromthatshow

    fromthatshow Staff Alumni

    that's nice
     
  15. someone uk

    someone uk Well-Known Member

    i don't think the US economy could be able to handle non universal healthcare
    universal healthcare takes money that would otherwise go to wall street and sending it to Washington instead
    i have not seen any strong arguments against healthcare, i have only ever heard a paranoid post red scare argument that it's "socialism" or greedy rich conservatives who don't want to cough up
    money spent on socialised healthcare is more efficient because there are no insurers profiting from it meaning every dollar spent on healthcare is used on healthcare rather than a man in wall street getting his cut

    a little know problem is set to increase the cost of healthcare regardless and that is human ageing, as we get more sophisticated at treating age related illnesses we pay more to treat people with age related conditions but also there are more people to treat with age related conditions, the vast majority of healthcare costs go to treating age related conditions and it has been raising the cost of healthcare for years
    age has been such a problem that it's actually warranted scientists to try and cure ageing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2PS6bPeLY&feature=response_watch)

    due to this effect the proportion of the us economy that is healthcare will only get bigger and that will mean that other industries can only get smaller
    i am no economist but i wouldn't be surprised if America enters a recession by 2020 without universal healthcare
     
  16. mulberrypie

    mulberrypie Well-Known Member

    America is the most compassionate country in the world. we give more to the needy than anyone else. i like to think im a sweet girl..im all for generosity...VOLUNTARY generosity.

    i agree with you, nos nomad! however, i think insurance reform will affect health care, ie. unintended consequences. first, the government will probably decide what procedures can and cannot be done, just like the do with medicaid. i know insurance companies and doctors already do that, but not to this extent.

    another thing can be figured with simple math. this bill puts 16 million more ppl on medicaid, and less and less doctors are accepting people with medicaid. how will this not slow down the lines??? this will cause more ppl to just go to ER because they wont want to wait in those lines.

    they say its gonna cost about a trillion dollars (ya, with a T) the cost is always 3-7 x more than the phantom numbers the CBO comes up with. never less! oh ya, theyre hiring 17k IRS agents to make sure you buy insurance. who pays for that? they cant kick people off and must accept those with prexisting conditions. this is gonna make things more expensive for everyone.

    probably worst of all is that over 70% of americans did not want this bill to pass, and it did anyway, the REPRESENTitives did not REPRESENT as they are to do. but americans are just a bunch of stupids, right? they need to do our thinking for us.

    also, these mandates are completely unconstitutional, which is why 36 states are suing the gov. this will be the first time in history the government is focing us to buy something. theres something in the constitution that forbids that, it can be ammended, but that wont happy. but omg, can u imagine if it was and the government could force us to buy stuff?!

    85% of the people were fine, we should have just fixed the 15% instead of breaking the whole thing. if they had tort reform and the ability to buy insurance across state lines, that would make health care more afforable.

    with all that said, the government is just another beaucracy, another step between you and your dr. name one thing the government runs right. anything they do goes to hell and is soo much more expensive. the thing is, they can operate at a loss (at the expense of taxpayers) there is nothing they can do that the private industry cant do better.
     
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  17. flyingdutchmen

    flyingdutchmen Well-Known Member

    who released you from you cage
     
  18. CAD

    CAD Well-Known Member

    :rofl:

    Thanks for that! But anyway, can someone please explain to me why America is so opposed to free healthcare? I'm not exactly a socialist, but even I think leaving people to die because they are poor isn't an enlightened attitude.
     
  19. Axiom

    Axiom Account Closed

    Im not sure to be honest. They've always had a private system so there's alot of systems working with that, theyd have to make dramatic alterations which will affect alot of things. Money has to come from somewhere, so I suppose taxes would go up. Wouldn't this hurt insurance companies aswell?

    Anyhow, americas quite compassionate. They have alot of good people in there who give their support through money or other humanitarian efforts. Aswell as the funding from the governments. They do give alot, though other parts tend to be the balance for all the good they do by destruction.
     
  20. wastedmylife

    wastedmylife Well-Known Member

    it comes down to wall street , the health insurance companies make billions of dollars for doing nothing, the health insurance companies brainwash people through outlets like fox news and rush limbaugh

    if most americans used their brains they would realize how corrupt the system is and would support a real socialist health care system but outlets like fox news and limbaugh and other people do a good job at brainwashing the masses
     
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