Does This Infuriate Anyone Else?

Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by Edgar Roni Figaro, Aug 5, 2010.

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  1. Edgar Roni Figaro

    Edgar Roni Figaro Well-Known Member

    I came across this article today and it pissed me off so much I just had to post it. I cannot wait until 2012 so we can vote these elitist bums out of office.

    Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette on a glitzy Spanish vacation

    Andrea Tantaros

    Sacrifice is something that many Americans are becoming all too familiar with during this economic downturn. It was a key theme in President Obama's inaugural address to the nation, and he's referenced it numerous times when lecturing the country on how to get back on its feet.

    But while most of the country is pinching pennies and downsizing summer sojourns - or forgoing them altogether - the Obamas don't seem to be heeding their own advice. While many of us are struggling, the First Lady is spending the next few days in a five-star hotel on the chic Costa del Sol in southern Spain with 40 of her "closest friends." According to CNN, the group is expected to occupy 60 to 70 rooms, more than a third of the lodgings at the 160-room resort. Not exactly what one would call cutting back in troubled times.

    Reports are calling the lodgings of Obama's Spanish fiesta, the Hotel Villa Padierna in Marbella, "luxurious," "posh" and "a millionaires' playground." Estimated room rate per night? Up to a staggering $2,500. Method of transportation? Air Force Two.

    To be clear, what the Obamas do with their money is one thing; what they do with ours is another. Transporting and housing the estimated 70 Secret Service agents who will flank the material girl will cost the taxpayers a pretty penny.

    Perhaps it could be that the Obamas, who seem to fancy themselves more along the lines of international celebrities than actual leaders, espouse a different view of sacrifice. When Michelle Obama accompanied her husband to Copenhagen along with best buddy Oprah Winfrey, she billed the trip - an ultimately unsuccessful bid to bring the Olympics to Chicago - as follows: "As much of a sacrifice as people say this is for me or Oprah or the President to come for these few days, so many of you in this room have been working for years to bring this bid home."

    A quick jaunt to Denmark is a sacrifice? What portraits in courage!

    The Obama modus operandi is becoming clear. From lavish trips to Spain to reportedly flying Bo, the President's Portuguese water dog, on a separate aircraft to vacation with them in Maine, to a date night in New York City that perhaps cost nearly $100,000, their idea of austerity is really just the lap of luxury, at least for ordinary folks.

    Incredibly, the Obamas have long portrayed themselves as precisely such commoners. Just this month, Obama told ABC the First Couple is "not that far removed from what most Americans are going through." And that "it was just a few years ago that we had high credit card balances, we had two kids, thinking about college. We had our own retirement accounts, wondering if we were going to be able to get enough assets in there."

    If that's true, why not select a more appropriate destination like the California coast? The scenery is just as gorgeous as that of Spain, and instead of patronizing a foreign country they would be pumping money into an American economy that desperately needs it. Camp David wouldn't exactly be slumming it, either. A long weekend there would really send a message of responsibility, leadership and compassion. For a couple that has sharply criticized former President George W. Bush so widely, they could stand to follow his example for once and select a more low-key locale, as Bush regularly did in his Texas vacations.

    Instead, Michelle Obama seems more like a modern-day Marie Antoinette - the French queen who spent extravagantly on clothes and jewels without a thought for her subjects' plight - than an average mother of two. While she's spent her time in the White House telling parents they should relieve their chubby kids' dependency on sugar and stressing the importance of an organic veggie garden, hopping a jet to Europe to meet with Spanish royalty isn't the visual the White House probably wants to project. Perhaps they've forgotten the damning image of John Kerry, on the eve of the 2004 election, windsurfing off the coast of Nantucket?

    I don't begrudge anyone rest and relaxation when they work hard. We all need downtime - the First Family included. It's the extravagance of Michelle Obama's trip and glitzy destination contrasted with President Obama's demonization of the rich that smacks of hypocrisy and perpetuates a disconnect between the country and its leaders. Toning down the flash would humanize the Obamas and signify that they sympathize with the setbacks of the people they were elected to serve.

    In January, President Obama insisted that "everybody in the country is going to have to sacrifice something, accept change for the greater good. Everybody is going to have to give. Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game."

    If sacrifice is the precursor to change, what will the family that ran on change offer up? Elitist doublespeak won't cut it.
  2. Black Beauty

    Black Beauty Well-Known Member

    I guess there are a lot of people in this world who have a lot and spend it extravagantly. At the end of the day what can you do about it? Work hard to get to the top and then set a better example. It's only when you're a millionnaire do people really take notice of your rants. Then you can bag Obama all you like and people will be like, we like this rich person so much more than that other rich person.
  3. Edgar Roni Figaro

    Edgar Roni Figaro Well-Known Member

    I am just sick and tired of the ignorance that the common person has. To think that people actually believe voting republican or democrat is going to change anything. People are so locked into these belief systems that they are blinded to the fact that these elitist pigs that operate our financial system and fund these zombified candidates that they actually believe there was a difference in voting for McCain or Obama.

    When are people going to realize that the banking institutions control everything. They directly fund the corporations of this country which directly fund the candidates running for president, congress, and the house.

    Obama can't make any difference. He is a shrill. His only job is to occupy a seat of government for the corporate slugs for 4-8 years so they can continue to bankrupt this nation.

    I wonder when people will finally wake up and vote for those who have real ideas instead of what the corporate news media brainwashes people to vote for.

    Here is a lesson in the banking system. When the federal government needs to add money to the economy they contact the federal reserve. They ask the federal reserve for an x amount of money say 50 billion dollars. The federal reserve then exchanges 50 billion dollars to the federal government in exchange for 50 billion dollars worth of government bonds, both the bonds and the dollars are PRINTED OUT OF THIN AIR.

    Then the government takes this 50 billion dollars and deposits it into private banks. The current financial regulations allow the bank to loan out all but 10% of its assets. So the bank takes this 50 billion dollars and loans out 45 billion dollars. But it doesn't loan out the money it just received it makes the 45 billion out of thin air on top of the current 50 billion dollars it was already given.

    That 45 billion is then loaned out to people who take that money and deposit it into their own bank accounts. The result is the banks receiving those deposits then loan out all but 10% of that 45 billion dollars again creating the money out of thin air and adding 40.5 billion (10% less than 45 billion).

    This process goes on and on and the increase of the amount of money in society made out of thin air is what we refer to as inflation. This inflation reduces the value of the existing money in the system, the money that we citizens make every week working our jobs.

    But to make matters worse, every loan the bank gives comes with interest. So the question becomes, if the banks loan out all the money that exists in society, and then the banks require interest on that money, how does society repay those loans to the banks when the extra money charged as interest doesn't even exist in society?

    The answer is, they don't. The system is literally has a poor class built into it. There is no way for our capitalist society to function except with 20% of the population in utter poverty. Poverty will never go away under our current system. Every single dollar in our economic system is owed to somebody somewhere plus the added interest of which that money does not even exist in society.

    So when we vote for Obama or McCain or any other jackass and you look at the campaign contributions and see the top 20 contributions are all corporations you can rest assured that the person you are voting for a shrill who will do nothing to change anything. They have been put their by the corporations who are controlled by the banks in order to keep everything exactly the way it is, including 20% of the population in utter poverty, 50% of the population living paycheck to paycheck and 1% of the population holding 70% of the nations wealth and controlling everything.
  4. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    Nothing can change without massive failure and more suffering. Unless that happens the too big to fail attitude will continue.
  5. Zurkhardo

    Zurkhardo Well-Known Member

    I can relate with the frustration at times.
  6. Ed.

    Ed. Well-Known Member

    no, not really.
  7. johnnysays

    johnnysays Well-Known Member

    Every administration does this. This article you supplied here reminds me of something i'd read on It's the usual spin. Bush haters did the same thing with Bush. Most politicians are middle to upper income. They can't relate to people that're living paycheck to paycheck. John McCain recently lost one of his homes and was almost in tears about how hard it was to live with 1 less home.

    Expecting them to understand what it's like to live on $20k-30,000 a year is too much. What people don't seem to understand is that it's all relative. If you make a lot of money, losing your yacht is devastating. If you make $900,000 a year, life feels every bit as hard as it did when you were making $50,000 a year. You just increase the amount of responsibility and potential asset loss with increasing wealth.

    And you can't expect the US to make friends if we lock up our administration in the white house and throw away the key.

    I do wish Oprah would stop hanging out with the first lady. Oprah is a screaming liberal and won't help us to make friends.

    People don't get taxed on income over $100k-200,000, approximately. If I recall, nothing over $100k US is taxed for social security benefits. Not taxing high income promotes motivation to make more money. So if you get rich you keep the money. But if it's any saving grace, studies have shown that that kind of money doesn't make you happy. There appears to be a limit on the happiness factor.

    I read the other day about a hp executive that was "fired". He ran off with 9 million dollars in compensation. Remember Conan Obrien? The guy at NBC who did the late show? He ran off with 40 million. This is very common in big business.
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  8. boo

    boo Well-Known Member

    That's just brain washing 1.0.1. You don't get to be President without having that one on your Curriculum Vitae.

    And no it doesn't really bother me. He's the President. He can fornicate with his intern with a Cuban cigar for all i care.

    Although this one from really annoys me to no end :

    - Barack Obama - a John Kennedy for our times
    One man has captured the heart of the new America

    ....Seriously, all he did was pick up the slack Bush made and look fancy for Access Hollywood... and tell what Americans wanted to hear.
  9. Zurkhardo

    Zurkhardo Well-Known Member

    I often flip-flop between accepting these things as a mere given of our society, and wishing that such disparity and elitism didn't exist. Ultimately, it's just how the system works. The most we could do is help the less fortunate reach an existence that is at least bearable. There are certainly a lot more people living more prosperously today than at any point in history, relatively speaking.
  10. Edgar Roni Figaro

    Edgar Roni Figaro Well-Known Member

    Obama is Bush 2.0

    Obama supports the expansion of the Patriot Act

    Obama said he would repeal the legislation that Bush passed to destroy Habeas Corpus once elected Obama supported this legislation.

    Obama said he would get rid of NAFTA and GATT which is costing the US millions of middle class jobs every single year. Once in office he supported NAFTA and GATT.

    Obama said he would put all legislation on the white house website 5 days before he asked congress to sign it through. Once elected he has tried to rush more bills through congress without anyone reading them, some arriving for the congress at 3am and being voted on 5 hours later, than any other president on modern history.

    Obama said he would bring the troops home after 16 months in office. He has now been in office over 18 months and has not brought anyone home.

    Obama has no power. Like Bush Obama is a puppet for the Federal Reserve banking insitution. Obama has put Ben Bernanke as the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. Bernanke served as Bush's economic adviser.

    Obama said he would not hire lobbyists to his administration.

    The following is a list of lobbyists serving the Obama administration.

    * Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt telecommunications firm [now confirmed].
    * Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education Association.
    * William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon, where he was a top executive.
    * William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.
    * David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric.
    * Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs.
    * Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.
    * Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.
    * Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003 and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
    * Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.
    * Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.
    * Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association of Justice from 2001 until 2005.

    If you vote republican or democrat and tow the party lines you will get the same exact person in a different set of clothes with every passing election. None of these presidents have any desire to make the middle class grow. It is their job to destroy the middle class which is the only group of people capable of keeping the Constitution operational and then to rule over what is left of the world after the middle class is destroyed.

    If you want to vote for someone who is not backed by corporate America, not backed by CNN, Fox, and MSNBC, someone who fights for the Constitution and civil liberties then this is the only person in 2012 that you should be looking at. This man tells us more truth in one of his speeches than Obama and Bush would tell in all their speeches combined.
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  11. Edgar Roni Figaro

    Edgar Roni Figaro Well-Known Member

    You know what you just said actually is Zurkhardo? It's called caring. You care about our country, and caring takes an emotional toll on a person when you are surrounded by so many people who don't.

    The democratic and republican machines controlled by the corporations which are in turn controlled by the Federal Reserve do everything they can to destroy the ability of the public to critically think and draw conclusions based on their ability to educate themselves on subjects.

    Today the television dictates what people think. FOX, MSNBC, CNN. Every single year we are losing freedoms that have been here since the founding of our nation.

    They assault our 2nd amendment with gun control laws, They assault our 4th amendment with legislation that gives police and government officials the right to break into any of our homes based purely on suspicion that we might be terrorists.

    Terrorism is an open term that allows the government to target anyone who refuses to accept their stripping of our liberties. Millions of Americans have been put on terrorist watch lists. Terrorism is not a threat to our nation. The FEAR of terrorism which the government instills on the people is the real threat to Americans. If only Americans would spend more time reading history books and less time watching tv they would realize that fear is how government takes everything away.

    Habeas Corpus, R.I.P. (1215 - 2006) The government can now jail any one of us indefinitely. Where is the outrage?

    Torturing anyone for any reason is a violation of everything we stand for and everything our Constitution stands for.

    History is overwhelmingly filled with men much greater than those running our country today who are telling us that what our country is doing today is WRONG and DANGEROUS. Yet we do not listen to them because most Americans have a poor understanding of history. The list of warnings by past great men of our nation is nearly limitless.

    Do we fear the terrorists across the world or the terrorists running our country? The answer should be obvious but it is not.

    ‎"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
    If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed
    ourselves."-- Abraham Lincoln

    "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people ...until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -Pres. Abraham Lincoln

    ‎"You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution
    before morning." --Pres Andrew Jackson, 1828

    ‎"We have come to be one of the
    worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Pres Woodrow Wilson

    ‎"I believe that banking institutions are
    more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Pres Thomas Jefferson

    Let us call a truce to terror. Let us invoke the blessings of peace. And as we build an international capacity to keep peace, let us join in dismantling the national capacity to wage war. - JFK

    And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions. -Samuel Adams

    The American public sleeps, slowly falling ever more unconscious and into the grips of eternal servitude. We have never since the times of the revolution been in more desperate need of a hero to remind us that patriotism isn't doing everything the government says, it's making the government do everything the Constitution says.
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  12. johnnysays

    johnnysays Well-Known Member

    If we're dumb enough to elect the man who destroys us, then we're the problem, not the man who we elected.

    We fight human nature, not a party or idealogy. That's why I don't think it matters who is president.

    Convincing yourself that it does is just a great way to not spot Hitler when he's in front of you.

    Vote for who you think should win and be yourself and protest (if you want to) and be a part of this show, but don't be overzealous.
  13. Zurkhardo

    Zurkhardo Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that Edgar. I can see you're very passionate about this yourself.
  14. Edgar Roni Figaro

    Edgar Roni Figaro Well-Known Member

    Zurkhardo do you notice how any time you try to tell people around you the freedoms they have lost or what their government is doing that they have about a 10 second attention span before they tune out anything you are saying?

    That is a direct byproduct of television. Television has created a society of ADHD adults who are programmed to tune out anything that is not immediately self gratifying.

    You can talk to a co worker about American Idol for 2 hours and they will keep going on and on about it, but try and talk to them for 2 minutes about Habeas Corpus and they stair at you with a blank face like you just told them aliens landed on earth.

    I guess Hitler was right in Mein Kampf when he said only 15% of the population are intellectuals that actually think
    for themselves and that the best way to control a society is promise the 85% of the dumb masses whatever they want so that when the intellectuals stand up to challenge what is being done, the dumb masses silence them for the "great leader".

    America has about run its course. One or two more presidential elections is all it will take to completely strip the few liberties we have remaining.
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