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Dying - what lies beyond? *religious discussion*

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Daniel

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Re: Dying - what lies beyond?

Dirge said:
magic isnt real. some thing cant just magically happen there has to be an logical explanation. you should have realized fairy tales arent true when you were a child.
Why dont you use your logic to reason that you dont know all there is to know about the universe and that a logical conclusion is that theres intelligence behind the universe (and more(, rather than just a random coincidence.

Also when people refer to God they normally are not referring to some "man" sitting up in the clouds, maybe its time for you to drop that illusion and evolve.
 
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TTrocP

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Personally I believe when you die, that's it. There is nothing beyond this shit hole. I think that's been the reason I havn't finished myself off yet, the fear of nothing.
 
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Dirge

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Re: Dying - what lies beyond?

Daniel said:
Why dont you use your logic to reason that you dont know all there is to know about the universe and that a logical conclusion is that theres intelligence behind the universe (and more(, rather than just a random coincidence.

Also when people refer to God they normally are not referring to some "man" sitting up in the clouds, maybe its time for you to drop that illusion and evolve.
Thats not the fuckin point, the point is that something cant just happen with out an explanation. rabbits dont really come out of a magicians hat from thin air, theres is always an explanation. Im not saying I know every thing but what all I do know prety much disproves the god of all religions. intelligent design, hmm I dont really know what you mean by that, nothing can come come into existence knowing everything. you need to learn to know things. this world isnt perfect or even good imho so its prety crapily designed. too bad I wont be able to see it end, however it does.

even if a super being created this world no one would be able to tell because the world is billions of years old and humans are only thousands. Theres never been any evidence of any gods . Id have been proven to be false and is not science. Dude wtfm read the goddamn bible is says god designed man in his image and refers to him as father alot. The tards who wrote it were sexist.
 
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I fairly much agree with Forgotten_man, probably because I think consciousness is merely an emergent property of the brain's material organization, concluded by the fact that various modules or degrees of consciousness can be lost depending on physical damage. Also, it just seems to me that if there is both a material and immaterial world, one or the other is superfluous.

In regards to Dirge's heated displays of contentiousness, I might suggest to him the newsgroups, talk.origins or Atheism vs. Christianity, if he did not know about them already. There he might find the battle he wants, he doesn't feel fulfilled here in this generally mild environment.
 

Ignored

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Bunny is right... please all respect others opinions without abuse. I think we can all agree that no one knows for certain what is beyond death, even if we think we do... we all have the joy of finding out for ourselves to come. In the meantime, please allow each other the courtesy of not being so arrogant as to believe that your belief is the only belief, or the only logical one... after all, people have argued over this for millenia, and greater minds than ours have come to widely disparate conclusions. :smile:
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Daniel

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Re: Dying - what lies beyond?

Dirge said:
Thats not the fuckin point, the point is that something cant just happen with out an explanation. rabbits dont really come out of a magicians hat from thin air, theres is always an explanation. Im not saying I know every thing but what all I do know prety much disproves the god of all religions. intelligent design, hmm I dont really know what you mean by that, nothing can come come into existence knowing everything. you need to learn to know things. this world isnt perfect or even good imho so its prety crapily designed. too bad I wont be able to see it end, however it does.

even if a super being created this world no one would be able to tell because the world is billions of years old and humans are only thousands. Theres never been any evidence of any gods . Id have been proven to be false and is not science. Dude wtfm read the goddamn bible is says god designed man in his image and refers to him as father alot. The tards who wrote it were sexist.
Mate same thing just start looking outside the box, "we where made in his image"... and I take it you assume that to mean he looks like us? rather than you posses imagination to chose from an unlimited amount of creative possibilitys you then have free will to chose any of those possibilitys which you then create. Thats what made in his image means which also ties in with "ye are gods" Religion gets hijacked by the devil almost instantly, manipulated and then spwed back out.

like Gandi said "I like you Christ but i dont like your christians they are so unlike your Christ".

Theres not always an explanation though is there? Try and use your logic to explain how somthing came from nothing. If that something is God or some big bang theory niether are logical which is why you have to assume you dont know everything there is to know... and a mirical is simply somthing outside our understanding
 
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Interesting, I don't know what's beyond death and at the end of the day... no one truely knows. We rely on faith, religion to teach us and to tell us and we believe theories and believe me, there are many, many theories out there and it isn't down to basically either heaven, hell, reincarnation or 'nothingness'. There are other theories out there which are either based around those or are totally on their own.

I was watching Big Brother the other week (yeah yeah..) and one of the guys was talking about his believes and I honestly can't remember exactly what his theory was but it did interest me and made me think, it was a theory I hadn't heard of before. He said he believes in God, God is love and he has love therefor God is inside of him. He is God and he was saying that when we die, we are moved into another human being and it wasn't 'basic' reincarnation he was describing, such as if you're bad you turn into a snail or whatever it is... it was something more deep than that such as your bad traits in old life, life we have now turns into bad traits in a new life which is why there are some people who look pretty but are not nice people. I can't remember exactly but what he said made a lot of sense, if I find out I'll post or if anyone finds out please let me know.

Anyway.. I'm not a religious person and I'm more inclinded to say death is death. End of. But I'm not closing a door on it completely. I'm unsure. After all, who truely knows? No one because when someone dies they can't return and tell us.

The only people who have a genuine idea of what death is like are those who have become close to death themselves and have actually stopped breathing for a few seconds, or maybe even a few minutes.

Anyway.. sorry I'm babbling.
 

poison

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Re: Dying - what lies beyond?

TTrocP said:
I think the main thing to remember is that all these theories are really just opinions. You have to die to know, and if you're dead you can't really share with anyone on earth......just my two cents
I agree 100%. It doesn't matter what you see, because even if you see it, it could be an illusion or your imagination. Not to offend, but it's kinda true.
 

cthulhu

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ok so i am a lunatic but, i have indeed had my own NDE, i can not coment on the existanc of god or heaven or anything so personal, what i can say is that i was gifted with a profound understanding of life the univers, everything els. sadly i can offer no more than that as i was incapable or retaneing any or the "truth" i experiance, my beleaf on this point is that life and the understanding of that life are mutalexlusive , one cant life and understand life simultaniouisly...just my 2 cp
 
#34
I dun no.... I don't believe in heaven or hell.... I kind of believe in reincarnation...


If I do kill myself, I don't want to just rot in the ground...


I would love to be reborn... So I could give life another try, in a different body, place, sex, race or religion....
 
#35
Id like to believe in reincarnation as well, but logic and hard science tend to tell me...once your dead, your dead.

What about past life regression though? mmm nobody has explained that and its kind of freaky.
 

bhawk

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My view is rather simple... In 26 years on this planet my mind has led me here, a psychiatric hospital. My thoughts are part of what drives me crazy....in 26 years!
Now imagine thinking, consciously for ETERNITY....Nooooooo thank you. I want my peace, want to expire and decompose.

Logic itself destroys the idea of most gods depicted in religions.

Although when pressed most religious, despite claiming to know god, cannot and will not define it. If they did it would be open to scrutiny and when that happens they have to move the goalposts again.
 

emily83

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Re: Dying - what lies beyond?

i used to believe that when we died, we go to this other world.. not heaven as such, but a quieter, more peaceful world.

bbut i've been thinking about it again more recently.. and now i believe that when you die you are just reborn.. maybe in a few months, maybe in a few years- but you have no knolledge of your past life- it's like you never lived to start witt

either of those theories work for me
 
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