I guess I'll start by saying I'm not trying to offend anyone here or anyone in paticular. This is Let it all out, right? --- Emo's. I just looked the other way, when I first heard that term. Though lately it's just been comin' up way more then I thought. First I heard it as a fashion, you know, those retarded tight clothes. Then it's the whole guys with make up thing. Really not my problem, because yet again I look the other way. Who cares, right? Doesn't bother you if it's everyone elses problem. But then it gets to this whole thing with criticizing music. Criticizing people who are suicidal. Practically making it worse for those who are depressed, and the asses who have the audacity to 'pretend'. I still didn't mind that much, but now that it's so 'popular' it's been pissin' me off. Music. Why did it come to this? Something revolutionized music as for men to wear make up and tight pants, and look like a woman. But then the term 'emo' gained a much bigger ground. Now, any time someone wears all black, it's 'emo'. What the hell? Black is a good color. Used to be rocker, now it's emo. Not everyone puts the make up and butchered hair do, thanks. But what really grinds my gutters is that people think they have a right to judge new and old music. The fools. Okay, so yeah, there is emo music, and it's hell annoying. Those really stupid voices. Singing like freaking idiots. I'm a lover of rock, but Emo puts that to shame. It's so ridiculous. And anything emo's do, becomes under it's label. I hate it. First it's with, oh that song's emo because it's about Suicide. Lots of the new stuff is. That and cutting / self harm. I won't doubt that most of the new stuff by emo's is completely ridiculous. But there are songs, old ones, before this whole emo craze people start calling 'emo'. There's a fine line between emo and not. I don't know what else to call it. But I know there are so many artists who are sharing experiences, feelings and such. Some people had rough lives, and some artists just explaining how they felt then. What used to kill them then, and push them to edge. Just like us, here on SF. But then they are somewhere now. And they realize that through a hard time they made it through. Those songs, things like that, anything that people have, those feelings, thoughts, those are things that people can learn from .It's what shows them that they conquered that part of them that was a darkside. Because it was hard then. There are alot of songs now, and back then that are like that. But it really puts it to shame when any mention of 'pain' 'suicide' 'hurt' are considered emo. When people do that, it just builds. Because it's not true. Now like I said, there are alot of stuff now that ARE stupid like that. Those artists are total asses. Talking about all this false pain, cutting, suicide. It's sad to see that. Now, any sort of expression, 'cry for help' real people, in real pain are in, it's downed by someone criticizing it as emo. That person might've needed help. That person couldd die because of a lack of help. Now, it's because of how the craze has warped people's thinking. If someone's mentioned cutting, it's usually greeted as trying to fit in. That pisses me off. Or a cry for attention. Cutting in itself is a way to release. Feelings build, bad ones, and they need a way out. It goes so over the edge that it consumes more coping resources than available. Not to fit in. That's ludicrous. So here we are, some people who are really tryin' to just get by in this life, some without homes, some without parents, some without anything. And the guy/girl next to playfully disarms your only way out. So typically, anyone who does self harm is now automatically thrown into the emo bin by default. pretty much anyone who you need to talk to (other then others who are in pain as well) will basically think of you as trying to fit in with the emo fad. I'm not a fan of that retarded gangster fad, but that was ten times better then this. It's like gates of hope were taken from people who needed help. Suicide's already like the 3rd or 4th cause of death in young people, obviously that was before the whole emo era. Now that it's popular, it doesn't mean a thing. Death is not funny. It's not cool. Yet today it's used so freely. It's really becoming annoying. It's not the haircuts. It's not the guys in tight pants. It's not the damned make up. It's the voice they're silencing. A few weeks back I was in the car, talking to my brother and my cousin. We were talking about music, and the like. And we talked about NiN's "Hurt" which was covered by Johnny Cash. "But that's kind of an emo song" He said to me. I wasn't really upset by the comment, but it really made me realize how the tides of opinion changed in this world. The song itself was about an addiction to drugs. On how it wasted away their lives, and it's really just left them in shambles. They feel bad, because of what they've done. And they feel so alone and abandoned, that the pain is so great, they feel as if they shouldn't belong. That song was an expression. Tons of music gets lowered by this emo standard. I can't stand it. As we continued talking, he said he disliked some of my music because he said it was emo. He said Three Days Grace was emo, which also was more of an in question thing then anything. Again, this band is all about talking about childhood, how hard it was, and their whole second album was about a drug addiction, and how it screws with life. How things get hard, and you just want to let things go. But then it's criticized as emo? One of the songs he mentioned was Pain in their second album. The lyrics: Pain, Without Love, Pain, Can't get enough, Pain, I like it rough, Because I'd rather feel pain then nothing at all You're sick of feeling numb You're not the only one I'll take you by the hand And show you a world you can understand This life is filled with hurt When happiness doesn't work, Trust me and take my hand Ofcourse, the average person today might not grasp the lyrics fully as to understand it's a drug addiction, but rather just a generalization of pain. (Thus the title) And ofcourse, by many criticized as emo. The song is talking about how the lead singer spent awhile in rehab, after realizing he had a dangerous oxycontin addiction. because everything around him didn't mean a thing. He couldn't feel anything. The drugs offered a release, an escape, a way to feel alive. But things around him would cause him pain, beause he knew he had a problem. (Thus the line I'd rather feel pain then nothing at all) Now, they do concerts on the side in rehab clinics in the states and Canada for people struggling to quit the habits that they have. Alot of artists wrote songs about this. How many of the old rockers lived to the fullest, the terms "Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n Roll"? How many of them do you think went through atleast some sort of pain? Drugs, in many ways, just like self-harm is an escape. Things around that person are so painful, they distract themselves with pain, because they feel alive then. Alchohol is same thing. You drink to forget, to feel better. You do drugs to feel good, or so on and so forth. (Not saying that all of thsoe are used ONLY for a distraction, but it's to show that it's commonly used for that. E.G. Obviously just drinking alchohol or getting drunk doesn't mean you're in pain, but it's something some people use as a coping mechanism) It's just a headache. I'm tired of hearing how this fad is crushing things that were instituted to help people. How many times have you heard that 'music has helped be get through tough times' because they realize they aren't alone, that alot of people feel alone on this earth, even when they're sourrounded with people. Because life's hard for alot of people. People have sicknesses, hurt, broken homes, nothing. And the sharing of it is what people get across. Pain in itself is a whole universe of variety. People here on SF, others who don't have anything, sit in quiet rooms, alone. If we can't talk about it, then it leads to other things. Self-harm. Addiction. Suicide, eventually. If not helped. If there isn't something that really pulls people through it. One of my cousins is an emo. He goes the whole nine yards, does the pants, the make up, the ridiculous haircut. And he had surgery on his left hand, because a tendon wasn't working right. It was a big incision, and left a pretty big scar. 6 inches long, and a quarter inch wide. And when he got out, he told people he cut himself. That is digusting. People criticize that cutting is a cry for attention. Not always. Not by the people who are in pain. If we want attention, Why do we HIDE our scars? How idiotic. I'm tired of it. I'm sick of emo culture perverting things that were once positive and helpful. I'm sick of it stopping help from getting to people who need it. Liars, thieves, it's sickening. And to use it so lightly as a fad, and to fake things like that. I hate it. I usually don't feel so strongly as to hate something like this, but it's purely disgusting. Just gotta wait for this crap to end, the fad will die, and I hope it does soon. How long 'till you think people start dying? I mean, honestly, how many people do think will lose their shot at help? Because of a chemical imbalance, or the lack of something in their lives, and not having a good chance to save themselves? Ofcourse this isn't the soap box forum. This is the Let it All out. So I'm not here to argue with anyone. I don't know if I offended you or not. But this is my opinion on it. And I won't lie. I hate people who are emo's. But this is just my take.