Evil Bible

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  1. Here are some Biblical passages, I thought you people would like to see.

    The Bible supports slavery

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


    Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

    If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

    ...little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. ... (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

    "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple."

    And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed.

    Human sacrifice

    "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18)

    ''Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me."

    Here are just a few of many Biblical contradictions

    Those that seek me early shall find me.
    - Proverbs 8:17

    Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall
    seek me early, but shall not find me.
    - Proverbs 1:28

    I and my father are one.
    - John 10:30

    ... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
    - John 14:28
    [Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]

    Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
    - Exodus 20:8

    The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
    away with: it is iniquity.
    - Isaiah 3:22

    The Lord is good to all.
    - Psalm 145:6

    I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.
    - Isaiah 45:7

    For all have sinned.
    - Romans 3:23

    There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect
    and upright.
    - Job 1:1

    God is satisfied with his works
    Gen 1:31
    God is dissatisfied with his works.
    Gen 6:6

    God dwells in chosen temples
    2 Chron 7:12,16
    God dwells not in temples
    Acts 7:48

    God is all powerful
    Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
    God is not all powerful
    Judg 1:19

    The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
    Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
    The wearing of long hair by men condemned
    1 Cor 11:14

    Circumcision instituted
    Gen 17:10
    Circumcision condemned
    Gal 5:2

    Man was created after the other animals
    Gen 1:25,26,27
    Man was created before the other animals
    Gen 2:18,19

    It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
    John 19:7
    It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
    John 18:31

    No man is without sin
    1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
    Christians are sinless
    1 John 3: 9,6,8

    For more, go to http://www.evilbible.com
  2. Bostonensis

    Bostonensis Guest

    This is a black yellow phone book. Only difference is not alphabetically ordered.
    Access Jon Stewart on Comedy Central ,he got them all.
  3. ybt

    ybt Guest

    one of the things i fear about the bible is that i do believe it is either mistranslated, or misinterpreted. probably the latter. or, in fact, written not even by god himself, but simply by people who believe certain things
  4. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Haha... god I hate Christianity. I hate Islam and Judaism, as well... don't know about Hinduism, though... Buddhism, however, seems like a religion unworthy of hate.
  5. Bostonensis

    Bostonensis Guest

    YBT , the problem of the bible is NOT in a probability between the book & the reader. Lost in translations or misinterpretations etc.......It is an absolute CERTAINTY that the Authors of the book is No god noe God related. It is designed to misguide or to blame cognitively by the authors.The primary objective of the Author is absolute . To distract & dissuade away from the Authors its culpability. Unknown to the majority thinkers that few people have the mind parallel to the Authors, & conquered their mindgames,but do not use this power to exploit people's vulnerabilities.

    The key to this power is to unlock the right brain hemisphere. This is why left handed people are called sinisters .Very specific in the bible. Write your name with your left toe & work up ,then come back if you still agree with your other you.

  6. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    WHAT are you talking about with this left-handed crap? My brother, father and husband's brother are all left-handed and have all been people of faith. I'm ambidextrous and am a person of faith.
  7. ~CazzaAngel~

    ~CazzaAngel~ Staff Alumni

    Right, I think things have obviously been twisted an mis-interpreted. I don't know though I have my beliefs and you all have yours, I'm saying nothing else. :unsure:
  8. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    This is a bit lengthy, but it is article on slavery in the Bible which I found very interesting...

    What About the Bible and Slavery?
    May 4, 2004
    by Wayne Jackson
    On occasion the Bible seems to approve of slavery. How does the Christian reconcile this matter with the biblical concept of the intrinsic worth of every human being as a creature made in the image of God?

    “Can you explain Leviticus 25:44-45? This passage seems to indicate that the Jews were allowed to buy slaves?”

    The issue of slavery in the ancient world is a complex one, and practices/regulations regarding this long-standing institution must be viewed in light of the rather unrefined ages in which the relationship of owner/slave prevailed.

    It may be stated with absolute confidence that it was never the ideal will of God that one man should own another – as a piece of property. The fact that each human being is in the “image of God” (Gen. 1:26-27; 9:6) militates against the concept that slavery is a divinely designed relationship.

    But the antique world was one of slavery; in Assyria, Babylon, Egypt, Rome, etc., the practice of owning slaves was common. Aristotle taught that it was in the natural order of things that some men should “own” others so that the “higher classes” could flourish. (Does that not have an “evolutionary” flavor to it?) In most of those cultures the practice was barbarous. Slaves were not “people”; they were mere “things” – pieces of property, to be used, abused, or even disposed of – at the whim of the master. Slaves could be tortured or murdered at the owner’s bidding. Such cruelty obviously was not consistent with the will of God.

    The Mosaic regime was born into a world in which slavery was a thriving enterprise already. Within the Hebrew culture a level of servitude was both acknowledged and regulated.

    Slaves might be obtained in a variety of ways. Generally they were acquired as prisoners of war, as a result of the various conquests that Israel was authorized to wage (cf. Num. 31:7-9). In an Israelite home, servitude could be an advantage over death, because servants were to be viewed as household members. Sometimes servants were obtained as gifts (Gen. 29:24), or through purchase (Lev. 25:44). The offspring of slaves automatically belonged to the same owner (Ex. 21:4). A robber might be enslaved if he could not repay the value of the “loot” he had stolen (Ex. 22:2-3). Too, one could sell his self into an indentured relationship (Ex. 21:6) – either temporarily (there were time limitations protecting him—Ex. 21:2ff), or for life, if he loved his master and chose life-long security. Such was not uncommon in the harsh world of the ancients.

    But Hebrew law was far superior to the codes of the pagan nations with reference to slaves. For example, there are some glaring contrasts between the law of Moses, and the code of Hammurabi (a Babylonian ruler), with reference to slaves. Under the Babylonian regime, harboring a runaway slave incurred the death penalty. Under the Hebrew system, a runaway slave seeking refuge could not be returned to his master (Dt. 23:15). A Hebrew-owned slave could bind himself to his master for life, the agreement being ratified by the piercing of his ear (Ex. 21:6; Dt. 15:17). In Babylon, a slave who said to his master, “You don’t own me!” could have his ear cut off! Under the Mosaic system, robbery required restitution – either in actual payment or service (Ex. 22:3). Babylonian law made robbery a capital offence.

    The Roman writer Pliny tells of a case where a slave accidentally dropped and broke a crystal goblet. His owner immediately threw him into a courtyard fishpond where he was torn apart by savage lampreys. Under the law of Moses, to kill a slave was a crime that carried punishment (Ex. 21:20). While the law allowed the physical punishment of one’s slave, the Jew was not permitted to kill his servant. This protection was unprecedented in the ancient world. One scholar has noted that the Jews’ treatment of Gentile slaves was “a great deal more humane than elsewhere in the ancient world” (Joachim Jeremias, Jerusalem in the Time of Jesus, London: SCM Press, 1969, p.348).

    No, slavery was not consistent with the most exalted level of Christian doctrine – which contained the moral seeds that eventually would abolish the institution in the hearts of those influenced by the gracious teaching of Jesus Christ (cf. Mt. 7:12).

    Hebrew law was not designed to violently disrupt the owner/servant relationship of the ancient world in an abbreviated period of time. That regime did embrace certain restraining measures that gradually would bring the institution into disrepute – especially with the coming of Christianity. As William Barclay once observed, “There are some things which cannot be suddenly achieved, and for which the world must wait, until the leaven works.”

    In this connection the New Testament book of Philemon ought to be carefully studied. It concerns the case of a runaway slaved named Onesimus. Onesimus had fled from his master, Philemon, who lived in the city of Colossae. The refugee had made his way to Rome where he came in contact with the apostle Paul. Paul led him to the truth of the gospel of Christ. Onesimus became an asset to the apostle, who was a prisoner in chains, awaiting the disposition of his fate before Caesar. Paul had been falsely charged by the Jews in Palestine, and so appealed his case to Rome.

    In view of the social and political circumstances of the day, Paul determined that the proper thing for Onesimus to do would be to return to his master. Onesimus obviously conceded to the plan and, in the company of Tychicus (cf. Col. 4:9), the two embarked upon the journey back to Asia. They took with them a short letter written by Paul (Philemon – the briefest of all the apostle’s writings), which was a commendation of Onesimus, and an appeal to Philemon to receive the fugitive back, viewing him “no longer as a slave, but more than a slave.” The petition suggested that it would be ideal if Philemon would embrace him as a “beloved brother, especially to me, but now much more to you” (v. 16). Paul does not command, “free him,” but that hint saturates the disposition of the request.

    There probably has been no single document in the history of humanity that has done more to pave the way for the abolition of human enslavement that Paul’s letter to Philemon. D. Edmond Hiebert has summarized the matter beautifully.

    “This epistle has exerted a profound impact upon the movement of the amelioration of social conditions. Dealing with a problem arising out of the institution of slavery, it has figured prominently in the controversy about slavery.The manner in which Paul treats the problem of Onesimus indicates the way in which Christianity grappled with the evils of human society. To have directly antagonized the institution of human slavery, inwrought as it was in the very warp and woof of the Roman Empire, would have stigmatized Christianity as being anti-social, and would have turned all the powers of the Empire against it in an effort to crush such teachings. In stead of making a frontal attack upon the institution of slavery, Christianity inculcated a spirit of love and consideration which ultimately meant the death-knell of that institution” (An Introduction to the New Testament—The Pauline Epistles, Chicago: Moody Press, 1977, pp. 248-249).

    No one, who considers all the evidence, and puts the matter into a proper historical perspective, can legitimately fault the biblical record with reference to the issue of human bondage.
  9. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    Regarding the human sacrifice, God NEVER intended for Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. He's the one who stopped him from doing it.

    And in the second example, CONSECRATING people to God is NOT human sacrifice, it is a symbolic sacrifice. Henceforth, all of their works and deeds will belong to the lord through this consecration.
  10. Bostonensis

    Bostonensis Guest

    Prior to the fundamentals of education,some wise asses studied the relativity of the brain hemispheres. Knowledge of the brain was exploited at the very beginning of time of "education". Hiding this information from the public is the first act of coercion of both religion & education. When a child first touch a pencil,how do you think the teacher told that child how to use that pencil by his /her left hand or right hand? So we become all right handed except for a chosen few whose parents are knowledgeable of the intricacies of the lateral :dry:functioning .Our population has more left handers than what is out there due to the institutionalization that the religion is attempting to subjugate us.
    This is not someone else's theory but a product of generations of left handers. To unlock the mind is to open the right brain hemisphere to open as the main portal of entry of information to for analysis,reasons, logic,cognition execution & planning to the left brain hemisphere & a whole some decision making can be achieved. We need to switch this fundamentalism in school.We must trained our first graders to use their left hands. So the right brain can function the way it is designed.

    Ms. Dove, not becoz you are a family of left handers you represents the left handers populations.The other thread about Jews being rich ,a post came out of the blue that heshe a Jew but no rich? Same analogy.

    :wink: camera one ; :wink: camera two. not left hander face smiley
  11. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    Sure it did. :rolleyes:

    LOL, what nonsense. Let's look at what the very next verse says. :rolleyes:

    So, you can beat your slave to death, just make sure he lingers for a day or two. And I wonder what the "punishment" was, anyway? Anybody know?

    Which this guy didn't do, see the passages above from Genesis and Joshua.

    Which this guy also didn't do, since he fails to mention the actual condemnation of slavery by the Stoics.

    Not only is he lying, he's a pompous hypocritical windbag about it.
  12. This is an example of precisely why my once strong Christian faith eventually crumbled. Christian apologists continually deny the reality of their flawed, contradictory and frequently immoral Bible. In order to preserve their beliefs they are forced to apply the most contorted logic to rationalize their God's bad behavior ( eg, see Hosea 13:16 )

    I sought many times to salvage my faith by bringing these issues to pastors, fellow church-goers, etc and I always received answers that were incredibly "creative" and yet still managed to competely side-step reality.
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2007
  13. PS, peanut, I don't doubt that that you have kind motives behind your defense of your religion. The majority of my family are still practicing Christians and although we disagree on belief in God, it doesn't prevent me from seeing that they are still good-hearted people. ;)
  14. theleastofthese

    theleastofthese SF Friend Staff Alumni

    I have always found it more accurate to say that I'm a "spiritual" person as opposed to being a "religious" person. I find it most distressing that so many of the "Christian" churches/denominations are so hateful and devisive. I claim no kinship with that sort of "Christianity". I belong to a very progressive Presbyterian church where the members think nothing of having a guest minister - an openly gay woman - give the sermon. We also have projects going for peace in the Middle East. The man in charge of this Peace Project just came back from a visit to Palestine. The people who go to my church are practicing Christians: practicing love tolerance forgiveness as Christ said to do.

    My dad is a theologian and he says that there are so many inaccurate parts of the Bible and so many places where the meaning of certain passages is open to interpretation. Alas, too many people take such passages and use it to suit their warped idea of Christianity. If Christ came back and wandered around the USA I'm sure he'd be arrested for being too radical and "unpatriotic".:sad:

    Just my two cents worth...
  15. Bostonensis

    Bostonensis Guest

    I find people who are totally addicted to religion incredibly amusing.There are times that I still go to church , but to have fun & just get a kick of getting my imaginination gone wild. I also gone to my use to be parish church with a long T shirt & just an underwear inside & I was asked to leave. But I just wanted to get an argument that JC is partiially naked up there,they got no problem with that.

    I often find that too with my friends who thinks that it is their obligation to their god to bring me back to "light" & when I fired back they resorted to ignoring me & my points or jump to another topiccs. It is a cognitive dissonance. My favorite comeback is Noah's ark & the dinosaurs & that Adam & Eve have an incestual relationships. Throw them on their fcae & you'll get the classic dissonance behavior. They all can't get away with it.

    I also put a very Nazi (nasty) message on my answering machine to dissuade my so called friends from calling to evangelized me..Just so I can have a peaceful day.

    Nice girls go to heaven;bad girls go anywhere they want.....

    My take on in Religion in this forum is still under moderation. I like to get a real debate with no parameters of TOs is applied.
  16. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    Am currently reading the catechism of the Catholic church...It has taught me that Jesus Himself is the Word of God incarnate...meaning that no other revelation is necessary. Certain things in the Bible may be flawed, but everything we need to live a truly good and spiritual life is contained in the life of Christ as told by the New Testament. It also tells me that it is OK to have fun and generally love life.
  17. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    Except that he didn't preach any of these things, if Luke is to be believed. (Ch. 12)

    Was St. Paul a Christian or a "Christian?" (Romans, Ch. 1)

    Note that for Jews of the 1st Century AD homosexuality was an absolute abmomination, nobody disputes this...So when he uses terms like "degrading passions," St. Paul is speaking out this Jewish milieu.

    In that case, why not just chuck the whole thing? (My vote.) Even if there are a few diamonds sprinkled in the tons of mud, and I'm by no means even sure about this, it should still be easier to look elsewhere for inspiration. As in, I've always liked Thomas Jefferson's coment about Revelation as "the ravings of a maniac." Which book is either truly the product of an unhinged mind or is written in metaphors so obscure that a true interpretaion of the text is just about impossible for the average person, and may not even be truly understandable by Bible scholars.
  18. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    Whoa. I never knew this, but the Catholic Bible approved for use by Americans and Canadians (it has both the nihil obstat and imprimatur) doesn't actually include a verse 13:16 for Hosea. Curious. And even more curious is that the footnotes on the Catholic New American Bible usually go out of their way to note text variants. (e.g. there's a big discussion about the "longer ending" in Mark 16-9:20, noting that it may be a later emendation.) But there's nothing about this. Funky like a monkey.

    Hosea 13 - Revised Standard Version (Protestant) - has a verse 16

    Hosea 13 - New American Bible (Catholic) - no verse 16.

    Learn something new every day, even if it has just about zero to do with this thread... :tongue:
  19. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    Hey Gmork.

    The first passage you quote has generally been taken to mean that because of their belief in Christ, many families will be torn apart. Non-believers will rise up against believers in a spiritual civil war of sorts. "I come not to bring peace, but a sword". I don't think Jesus is advocating violence here, I think He is stating the inevitable result of the huge religious transformation that is about to take place.

    As for the other passage, I think the Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality. It is not mentioned often, but when it is, it is never in a positive light.

    The Hosea text is interesting. There are many differences between the Protestant and Catholic Bibles. During the Reformation, primarily for doctrinal reasons, Protestants removed seven books from the Old Testament: 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Wisdom, Baruch, Tobit, and Judith, and parts of two others, Daniel and Esther. They did so even though these books had been regarded as canonical since the beginning of Church history.

    Variations in the NT are fairly common as well.
  20. asqy

    asqy Well-Known Member

    you know, a funny thought occured to me today... why do you guys even care? if someone wants to believe in the bible, god, and all that, so what? does it harm you in any way? not that i can see. no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to believe it. maybe you should just let people think how they want and you can do the same. anyhow, just a thought.
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