Fox Hunting

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  1. Izziebabystar

    Izziebabystar Well-Known Member

    i was just wondering about peoples veiws on fox hunting
    when i was a city girl i was dead against the idea
    but then i went out on a hunt and found out the reality
    what the news portrays is not true
    they only show the worst case

    after experiancing the hunt and seeing the damage a fox can do i am totaly in favour with fox hunting

    whats everyone elses opinion???
  2. Eric

    Eric Well-Known Member

    Good question. I'm not fond of shooting animals unless it's extremely necessary (i.e. life-threatening situation).

    I've actually never really thought about it.
  3. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    I never understood the ban on using dogs to be honest.
    As I see it now the claim the dogs are cruel is complete bullshit when, and correct me if I'm wrong, compared to a long range shotgun kill which will almost certainly result in just as slow a death or the animal escaped to die later of infection as opposed to a dog giving it a quick death.
    That said I would love to be certain, unless someone is telling me that fox hunters are so incredibly skilled they can hit small a moving target from a galloping horse.
    Regardless, it was just a political move at the end of the day to win points from the green elements of society and those that are jealous of the rich at the end of the day, if they actually gave a shit about the foxes rights they would have outright banned it.
  4. Melancholy

    Melancholy Well-Known Member

    A dog giving it a quick death...after it has been run down for hours on end to the point of complete exhaustion before it is killed. Yes, a quick and pain free death. The fact that it's a sport makes it rather obvious to me. It's not about the killing of the animals, otherwise a more humane way of doing so would have been found. It's for the entertainment of the hunters. And to me, that is nothing but wrong.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm also a country girl and know that foxes can cause a lot of damage. But I'm not going to accept that fox hunting using dogs is the most humane way to get rid of them. No way. It's a sport, and to kill foxes for sport in my books is the same as bear baiting or cock fighting.
  5. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    That was my point, they're still running the animal down for hours before killing it, nothings improved about what happens to the animal.
  6. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    Im sure if the hippies knew what foxs are truly capable of they would think twice about banning fox hunting. One time I was walking down a country path in the pentlands and came across a dead grouse. Now this thing hadnt been eaten at all, the fox had killed it purley because it could, its organs hwere lying neatly like a biology experiment. Foxes arent cute cuddly little animals like the news potrays them to be, they will kill pet cats and rabbits for no reason and the only way for them to be safe is for the population to be cut down.

    True I think the use of dogs during hunting should be banned, but farmers should still be given the right to shoot foxes on their land.
  7. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    I agree with the right to shoot an animal on your own land, but my problem is this: Isn't there something inherently wrong with laughing and cavorting with one's friends while running an animal down to the point of exhaustion and then killing it and then celebrating the kill with food and drink? Don't tell me that is about population control, it is a matter of getting pleasure out of torturing and killing an animal.
  8. Terry

    Terry Antiquities Friend Staff Alumni

    Having been a member of the "Hunt Saboteurs" for 20 years I'll say this, there is nothing redeeming about the hunt.
    Shooting an animal that is causing damage or getting in your hen house is one thing, to ground an animal down for it to be ripped to pieces by a pack of baying hounds is the most disgusting thing I have ever witnessed.
    Also my neighbours cat was killed by a pack of these so called sportsmen and their dogs.
  9. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    no matter who you are everyone is responsible for life and death of thousands of animals, by eating crops which is a food rabbits like too means rabbits have to be culled, either that or farmers would be out of a job! noone is clear of coinscience....just some realise the truth and face up to it

    How many fox hunts have you been on? also whatever happened to the foxes natural predators? we killed of the wolves etc and the populations do need to be controlled, tail chases are a part of nature, a pack of wolves hound and harrass their prey, taunt, weakening the animal in many cases till the animal collapses when they then go in for the kill, there is nothing un-natural about that. I hunt a lot with a variety of animals and i get more enjoyment from a good flight than from a kill. unfortunately media tends to follow city folk and make hunting look bad. In a pack of hounds there are specialised killing dogs, although all can kill efficiently the specialists are normally the dogs that get in to the fox first and kill it in seconds.

    How much do you know about fox hunting? It is based on neccesity but is also used as a social gathering. although you get people in it for enjoying the kill there are also professional people who respect their quarry. an idea you seem to fail to grasp! Have you been fox hunting? with what hunt?

    Hunt saboteurs are the vilest of people, i have seen them commit more cruelty than any hunt. when a dog catches the fox saboteurs think its better to pull the fox of the dog while its still alive but injured, instead of letting it be dispatched by a natural predator. pull your head out your arse, everyone is responsible for hunting. if you eat chicken then a farmer will want no foxes around, if you eat crops then a farmer will not want rabbits eating them crops.
    people put on the holier-than-thou act yet they eat animals force inseminated for breeding, caged with not even enough room to turn around in, crops that are planted were a beautiful forest once was with so much life, chickens with ammonia burns due to conditions theyre kept in, life is being harvested as a mere product, with no respect for the animal or its life. i have met kids who think beef is made in a factory, kids who dont know were eggs come from, people are so far away from reality nowadays they think they can judge us who are in touch with our surroundings.
    although i have blood on my hands i am ever greatful to the individual animals, i respect them and that i took their life and i made sure i did not waste a morsel.
    How many burgers, chicken meat, sausages have people on here chucked away, with no thought of the life behind the food!
    people make me sick with this shit. face up to it.
    saboteurs have killed the huntsmans horses, have caused prolonged suffering to the fox and are very violent to the huntsmen! its sick.
    And terry once the fox is dead what the hell does it matter if its corpse is shredded.....ITS DEAD! get a grip FFS.
  10. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    i'd also like to add the important point of bad apples....unfortunately there are bad hunts and they should not continue. a good hunt is a credit to the sport but a bad hunt ruins it for everyone.
    A good hunt will leave an animal that gets down a hole and not dig it out. if the animal wins the chase their then the animal lives, if the animal is not fit enough then it will be caught.
  11. jam1e

    jam1e Guest

    I agree.
    I used to shoot problem foxes a few years ago.
    I had the misfortune to meet some very unpleasant and arrogant fox hunters, i hope they were the minority.....
  12. Ozibuna

    Ozibuna Well-Known Member

    Bhawk, there's a difference between killing for pleasure and necessity. I simply can't understand how you can compare hunting with egg farms or meat farms. It's not the same thing. Animals there don't know freedom, and don't know what's going to happen. No natural predators no nothing, all they do is eat sleep and die it's as simple as that. But then again i guess you're right, hunting is fun, it's so fun that you work as what, a bird breeder? Trying to restore the population of whatever it is you're breeding right? I wonder how that happened, some morons really like hunting. Hunters with honor and dignity, that's a laugh. How bout we have a manhunt with you as the prey. We'll have guns and dogs and what not, and you get to run, if you escape then you're good, if you don't then you're dead. It's still a hunt is it not? Doubt you can escape the pack of dogs if you do however we still got the guns haha. But just to put it like this, i've been chased by a pack of dogs as a kid, i got lucky because of a fence i managed to cling to. Who knows what might of happened if i didn't manage to catch on to it, now i'm scared of dogs. Now i'd like to see you go through that and tell me if you enjoy it THEN we can actually talk.
  13. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    yet again....HAVE YOU HUNTED?
    you have already said that you haven't. therefore how can you be in any position to judge me for hunting when you dont even know the details of what i do. your foolish narrow minded and have a bloody big gob. only speak about things you know about. you know the old saying 'better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than speak and be known as a fool.'
    ive worked with hunting dogs all my life and a well trained dog is a good dog, whoevers dogs chased you were obviously not trained well. your using a single experience of your own to judge hundreds of hunts and the ethics....
    as for you using a gun and dogs, well firstly i rarely use a gun, secondly humans are top of the food chain, live with it.
    and yes chickens and crops do have a link to hunting, rabbits eat crops, destroying farmers livelyhoods and our food, therefore farmers pay people to get rid of them, chicken keepers often welcome hunts due to foxs killing large amounts of chickens.
    my exs father was head gamekeeper of a 22,000 acre country estate and he had a pheasant pen fenced of measuring approx. 100 metres square, a fox got in and killed every single pheasant and only ate one, their instinct is too strong and they kill anything that flaps. you have no idea what true country life is like and your stupidly trying to judge it.
    just because the farmed animals dont know what freedom is does that mean battery farming, pigs forced to lay down to suckle no movement for them whatsoever, you honestly think that means that they are living a life as good as a free animal?
    pigs are highly intelligent, chickens are able to recognise 'friends' and have a good amount of intelligence too. the reason the animals are kept in atrocious conditions is due to people wanting lots of cheap meat, they dont care for the life of an animal...just cheap food. i have the decency to hunt my own food, animals that have lived free all their lives, yet when they were hunted failed to be fit enough to escape. you seem to think that the animals have no chance of escape yet about 40-60% get away. if they get away then i leave them alone. you seem to have a grudge against me cos ive made you look stupid in previous threads. please dont start bitching at me every time i post, its annoying. now grow up and only speak about things you know and understand.
  14. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    unfortunately that minority ruin it for the majority.
    and that minority are the ones that get posted all over the media, a few bad apples!
  15. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    Bhawk is right, since we have decimated pretty much all natural predators on our wee island it is up to us to keep the numbers of foxes down. Without fox hunting the countryside would be completley ravaged by them, many species of bird and mammals would be extinct.
  16. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

  17. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    I cant stand those self righteous PETA snobs :dry: Why do I need pamela anderson telling me about these things for christ sake :laugh: Although it is good that organisations like these are slowly getting rid of mass slaughterhouses like that though.
  18. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    i personally dont like PETA or a lot of other organisations due to their behaviour, although some of their ideals are good.
    mass slaughterhouses will never be rid of, due to the fact their is too much demand. people want cheap meat, that is the price of cheap meat.
    funnily enough though the meat i eat is FREE and has lived in far better conditions than farm animals.
    As for pamela anderson, celebs just like to look good dont they:rolleyes:
  19. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Speaking of a foxes natural predators, is it not somewhat daft that we complain about the barbarity of dogs killing the foxes when if we hadn't fucked out own eco system then exactly the same thing would be happening with Wild Wolves chasing them down instead.
  20. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

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