heaven and hell. your thoughts? **religiuos discussion**

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  1. deathbecomesme

    deathbecomesme New Member

    i had no idea where to post this but since i am uncertain of heaven and hell and this forum is called the uncertainty principle i thought id put it here. anyway what is everybodys thoughts on this. is it all just man made boloney or is there substance to it. i dont wanna go to hell , but if all you do in heaven is sing praise songs and worship god i dont wanna go there either. id rather cease to exist. and why should i go to hell in the first place just because i didnt follow or love god? thats like a boyfriend telling his girlfriend if you dont love me your going to have to face some kind of consequences. the whole idea of god, or heaven and hell doesent add up there are too many holes. what are your thoughts? you have to understand i went to a christian school and was ordered to church for years so i have been religiously scarred so to speak and id like any encouragement to help pull me out.
  2. therandommike

    therandommike Member

    My friend, you must realize that people abuse God. They use Him to their advantage. It takes more faith (in my opinion) to believe that we are a product of natural selection and that my ancestor was a puddle of goop and then a frog and a shark and a monkey and shit. That's kind of strange, to me.

    But it may be true.

    Believing in God is a free choice; He is a god of free will. We are allowed to make our own choices.

    All of what I just said is useless debate, however.

    I think the most important (and most overlooked) thing in the christian religion is that in His essence, God and Jesus just want to be our friend. Yes, that's right. Our creator wants to be our friend.

    I suggest you say 'fuck you' to the church, and seek out God as a friend and a counseler, not as a figure to fear and run from.

    Also, to answer your question about Heaven and Hell, no Heaven isn't just singing. Yes, there is singing, but we all have our own mansion and new bodies that can fly AND go through solid objects! all pain will be removed and forgotten, and it'll just be a long fun party that gets so mind-blowingly fun it's almost rediculous. Hell on the other hand is the worst pain ever. Think it sucks on earth? ohhhh, you have NO idea how much worse Hell is.

    Anywho, yes there are many loopholes and what not, but what doesn't have holes? All God wants is for us to love Him, and He has a lot of experience, so listening to Him is advised.

    Seek Him out through the bible.

    Sometimes, yes, a pastor is needed. But usually not.

    I hope this helps!

  3. BlackPegasus

    BlackPegasus Well-Known Member

    I will simply say I do not believe in heaven and hell. That's about all my thoughts on it. I'd just say listen to what your heart tells you on the matter.

  4. raw

    raw Senior Member & Antiquities Friend

    I believe in heaven and hell but not in the traditional sense. I believe hell is here on earth and is the result of the path we choose in life leading either to heaven or oblivian. What is heaven exactly? I have no idea.

  5. ihavenosoul

    ihavenosoul Guest

    i think this is a good topic to discuss, i really dont want to go into detail of what i believe because it would take to long, but if you want to know go into the link in my signature and read some things on that website
  6. smotherman

    smotherman Member

    I agree with Mia,My personal opinion is earth is hell and once you die, that is heaven.I just can't see god making two hells and with all the hurt and pain on earth, this has to be considered hell.

    I also believe everyone is reborn!
  7. Nosferatu

    Nosferatu Well-Known Member

    In reply to smothermans comment about not seeing why God would make two hells. (Now my memory is quite sketchy so if anyone knows the correct details please correct me, its been a long time since i've done research into this stuff :laugh: ) From a christian source i cant remember what exactly it says that there is more than one hell and more than one heaven structured as layers (easiest way to describe them) e.g. 1st heaven is the first heaven layer upwards, i think and i emphasise the word think because i dont have a clear recollection but it was something like 12 layers for both heaven and hell and i may be mixing stuff now from other sources of information which are less "official" so to speak but i believe it claimed that earth was the first level of hell.

    I'll try and re-research it as i have some spare time to see if i can get some solid word for word quotes :laugh: but as i said if anyone does know the correct details please say them :tongue:
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  8. Style

    Style Well-Known Member

    As an athiest, I have to say that I believe in neither heavn and hell, I look at the bible as a literary piece rather than a spiritual piece, obviously it is far from a scientific piece.

    As far as an afterlife, I think no one will know until we get there, but I view it as a neverending lucid dream.

    Ironically, I've probably read the bible and understand it better than most people. I was raised in a Christian church, went to catholic school until my sophomore year of high school, and I went to a conservative christian university.
  9. BlackPegasus

    BlackPegasus Well-Known Member

    Okay this is off topic but Nos it's spooky how much we think alike. I agree with what you said.

  10. zombieinc

    zombieinc Member

    I not a religious person at all. I have never read the bible. I do believe in god though. But I don't believe god is a person with human emotions. I think most people believe that because it is the only way people find god relatable. As for heaven and hell. I believe we create are own heaven, and I believe we create are own hell. To me it is more of a state of mind than a place. If there is an after life and you do go to heaven, who is to say you will find happiness or fullfillment there? I have already decided if there truly is a vengeful god that would send me to hell for the way I have lived my liife, I will spite him by being the happiest person in hell!!!:laugh:Unless were already in hell, then I have failed miserably:sad:
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  11. Just_visiting

    Just_visiting Well-Known Member

    I dont believe in heaven or hell. I think once you die then that is it, ur dead. Just bones. But when i was younger i used to worry about going to hell. Also i thought it was very unfair that just because you dont believe in someone they would make u suffer eternal torture (especially wen they are meant to be all loving). So once i talked to a vicar about this and he said that hell was simply "seperation from god" and so i figure that, as someone who doesnt believe in god nyway, hell wouldnt be that bad cos i am seperated from him anyway. If that makes sense..
  12. JohnADreams

    JohnADreams Well-Known Member

    Dont believe in either or any other sort of afterlife. I`d like there to be one but it's hard to trust in an idea like that.
  13. Panther

    Panther Well-Known Member

    I've read about quite a few near death experiences (NDEs) on the Internet, partly because I was and still am worried about going to hell, although I don't think about it as much as i did a few months ago.

    I'm not saying that NDEs are any proof of an afterlife, but some people who have had an NDE have been taken to heaven and some to hell. My conclusion is that one cannot be totally sure about this subject. If there is an afterlife, one cannot be certain about where they are going.

    I used to believe the Christian perspective of things but since my faith in God is gone I would like to believe that people do not go to hell, but still worried that there is a god who is a vengeful god. :mellow:
  14. hell is symbolic of primitive fear put on dogmatic paper. Religion has been preaching of a 'dark hole' where all sinners and all blashpmers go. But I say this: every religion, every denomination, every cult damns others to hell (with the exception of moderate christians, buddhist, judaism, etc.) Who is right and who is wrong? If there are 100 views of hell, who in their right mind take any of them seriously?:dry:
  15. MrDepressed

    MrDepressed Guest

    I think the Bible has led to some major scientific discoveries... it is obviously not meant to be a scientific piece... here is some points to ponder on science and the age of the earth http://www.seekthetruth.org/earthage.html ... as to heaven and hell, I can't even come close to imagining, and if God wants to send me to hell at my end than so be it... hopefully not though.. just my 2 cents
  16. Neverhere

    Neverhere Guest

    Ill admit it im terified of goin to Hell. I cant say whether there is aheaven or hell but if so i wouldnt want to go to hell. Life is full of uncertainty's so why should the afterlife be any different?
  17. Biggie

    Biggie Antiquitie's Friend

    Maybe its me being me I don't really know and on some level I can't be inclined to care. I was brought up christian but I have no faith in the concept of a maker. I also couldn't be bothered with evolution. Like was anybody there when it all began I'm just interestedin my reality. because when alls been said and done noones ever come back
  18. Plastic Sun

    Plastic Sun New Member

    Well, I was raised catholic, so Heaven and Hell we're always abstract concepts, atleast that's the way I was taught them, Hell was always explained to me not in a Dante manner, but in more of a light akin to seperation from god...I never could fathom the idea of being near God in the first place, so it only makes sense that I became an agnostic. I gotta say that in the end it doesn't really matter, we'll only know when we get there.
  19. LtRoarke

    LtRoarke Guest

    I'm not sure what I believe. My whole family is Catholic, but I don't believe one inch of the crap they teach. I will say that I believe 100% in evolution and that I do not believe in God most of the time. I guess that's why I consider myself to be Unitarian.
  20. TG123

    TG123 Well-Known Member

    Awesome post! God bless you!

    Cristo Vive!
    - Tomasz
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