Help with this

Discussion in 'Suicidal Thoughts and Feelings' started by me1, Aug 19, 2006.

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  1. me1

    me1 Well-Known Member

    If you knew someone who was killing themselves and you couldn't talk to them on the phone because they wont answer, would you give their number to the police, or is that a betrayal? I dont know what to do, i cannot do nothing but i dont want to make things worse by getting the police involved.

    Please help

    grant (TheAM)
     
  2. velvet_rose

    velvet_rose Guest

    Can you go round and visit them? Or phone a friend of theirs? If i couldnt reach them on the phone or couldnt go to were they were then i might. I know they may hate me afterwatds but i would hate myself more if i knew it was happening. Its hard what to do when that is on your shoulders but i think i would even if they hated me for it afterwards.
     
  3. me1

    me1 Well-Known Member

    Thanks velvet, i already did phone the police. They havent traced this person yet. Take care.
     
  4. Ignored

    Ignored Staff Alumni

    I suppose it would depend on whether you know for sure that suicide is planned, imminent, being executed etc I would try to contact them in any way I could (family, other friends, neighbours etc) but yeah, if I knew pretty much for sure they were killing themselves and couldn't contact them then I would phone the police. I suppose I would work on the premise of salving my own conscience... how would I live with myself if I knew and did nothing and they died. I'd prefer to have the argument with them later.
     
  5. kath

    kath Well-Known Member

    Maybe this person couldnt answer the phone.

    Maybe they have now been traced
     
  6. Ignored

    Ignored Staff Alumni

    True enough, but is it worth taking the risk???
     
  7. kath

    kath Well-Known Member

    Errr which risk

    Maybe he called the police and this person got traced.End of subject.Theres no risks to debate here
     
  8. Ignored

    Ignored Staff Alumni

    The reason he called the police was the risk of you killing yourself, which clearly he perceived to be a very real threat. I'm not really surprised because you yourself have declared yourself to be only hours from death on previous occasions... what do you expect people to do? They care, and they want to help you. I know you say that you don't want help but in the same situation, as you've admitted in another thread, you'd probably do the same.
     
  9. me1

    me1 Well-Known Member


    Yes, 'he' did, Kath. :sad:
     
  10. kath

    kath Well-Known Member

    Dont be sad.Hugs.i just really dont know where to go with this anymore.i am scared.You are certainly not the problem.Nor is the forum.i feel like im the problem.i just dont know where i go with my whole situation now.

    Take care
    kath
     
  11. me1

    me1 Well-Known Member

    Keep talking with us, we'll help you Kath. I promise. I am only sad for you, i want you to get better. take care
     
  12. marcus

    marcus Member

    I don't get it. If someone WANTs to commit suicide, why forcefully keep this person from doing so?? If this person breaks all ties, he/she definitly WANTs it!

    You might debate about all kind of rights, but tell me one reason why a person should not be allowed to decide to life or to die! It's HER/HIS life goddamnit!
     
  13. Ignored

    Ignored Staff Alumni

    That's absolutely fine, and if a person really wants to do it then they undoubtedly will. But if someone tells me they are about to do it, or are in the process of doing it then I'm summising that some part of them doesn't want to. If they don't want help then don't reach out for it! To say nothing of the fact that the vast majority of people who come here come to find ways of killing themselves... are dead set on it, absolutely definitely sure... and then they get support, make friends, realise that crap though it often is, life is worth another shot.
     
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  14. marcus

    marcus Member

    If someone tells me about it but then breaks all ties, I'm surmising they don't want help.
     
  15. Ignored

    Ignored Staff Alumni

    Then why tell you? What's the point?
     
  16. marcus

    marcus Member

    Maybe you were not sure about it at first, but then you made your decision. Approaching people and ask for advice is very common, and does not mean only because you once asked for help you want someone else to make your decisions for the rest of your life or in the next second.
     
  17. Ignored

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    Look, I'm glad that you're so sure that what you would do in that situation is right and I'm sure it is for you. I, on the other hand, would rather err on the side of caution. If the person is absolutely determined then they will try again, and surely ensure both that it's secret and effective. What you will find on this site, which is pro-life, is that more people would agree with my stance than yours. That's not to say I am right and you are wrong, but just that we look for life here and do not encourage death, even tacitly.
    Shygirl
     
  18. marcus

    marcus Member

    Shygirl,

    If you call the police, they'll bring this person in a psychiatry, where they drug them down so the person CAN'T commit suizide anymore, even if they would want to! They do so because in most western countries (all I know of) the clinican is bound by law. If they wouldn't do so they facilitate suicide and had to face prosecution. Clinicans can't let you go if you are potential suicidal. Do you see the vicious circle? You steal a persons basic human rights. Doing so just to "salving my own conscience" is - from my point of view - very egoistic and anything but helpfull.

    Of course there are people who recover and can also enjoy life after such terrible events, but it can get worse too. Who are you to decide?
     
  19. Ignored

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    Marcus,
    Having taken an overdose on more than one occasion I can tell you that this is not always, or even often, the case. And if admission to a psychiatric hospital/unit is deemed necessary it is only ever for a limited time. Death, however, is a bit more permanent. There's nothing egotistical about my beliefs and I deeply resent the implication. I have not become personal about your beliefs and would request that the same respect is given to mine. And here's a hint for you, should the unlikely situation occur that I were to be privy to your suicide attempts,and I had the necessary information I WOULD phone the police. You don't like that, then don't let me know.
    Shygirl
     
  20. marcus

    marcus Member

    I'm sorry, I didn't meant to be personal or offending in whatever matter. As I said, that's my very personal view of things. Maybe the legal system is different where you life (which would be a good thing).
     
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