Ho-lloween

[noplacetogo]

Ok Halloween is upon us. Get out your fishnets and high heels ladies!
I don't understand this craze with dressing like a whore on Halloween these days. Even the preteen and tween costumes look like something they bought off a seasoned streetwalker. I don't know if it's always been this way, but it seems that every year, the costumes get trashier and trashier. I'm flipping through the costume store ad, and all the men costumes are funny or scary and all (and I mean all, with the exception of the hippie costume) are slutty! Too tight, too short and too low-cut. Since when was it a good thing to be objectified. I know it's just dressing up for fun, but why is everyone dressed up like a slut? I don't understand it? Does anyone else find it disheartening, or am I being a grumpy old lady??

 

[Bigman2232]

I agree that the younger aged costumes are getting out of hand but the 18+ should be able to do what they want.

I was just talking about this with my roommate and we agreed a lot of girls dress this way because it's the one time of year they can and not get a bunch of trouble for it. Why they want to in the first place is up to them and I don't care if they dress more revealing or go for something else. I know one girl says she dresses up the way she does because it's about being something you normally aren't. You can look one way and still not be expected to actually be that way.

Your post also demonstrates the fact that slut really is a term created by women. Men don't use it, at least not any respectable ones, but I hear so often from women. It really is a woman to woman hate word used to bring down someone because of jealousy.

 

[noplacetogo]

Some biological physiological part of me probably is jealous, but I can't tell. The truth I do know though, is that you are a man and of course you find nothing wrong with it. And about the slut word being used by women against women is false. Men use it against women all the time.
You do make a good point about people having the freedom to dress however they want on Halloween, it is afterall Halloween, but I guess I was taught that a respectable woman shouldn't have to expose herself to get attention, even if it is just a costume. But even the kids are doing it now, so what does that mean??
Question Bigman; Would it be acceptable for your girlfriend or wife to dress provocatively/slutty on Halloween? What about your daughter? your mom?

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

Some biological physiological part of me probably is jealous, but I can't tell. The truth I do know though, is that you are a man and of course you find nothing wrong with it. And about the slut word being used by women against women is false. Men use it against women all the time.
You do make a good point about people having the freedom to dress however they want on Halloween, it is afterall Halloween, but I guess I was taught that a respectable woman shouldn't have to expose herself to get attention, even if it is just a costume. But even the kids are doing it now, so what does that mean??
Question Bigman; Would it be acceptable for your girlfriend or wife to dress provocatively/slutty on Halloween? What about your daughter? your mom?

I like when my Mom does :biggrin:

 

[noplacetogo]

I like when my Mom does

I like when your mom does too.

 

[Esmeralda]

I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, Halloween is about having fun. Now I agree that some costumes are just stupid (like the slutty firefighter costume), but what about a sexy super-hero? Guys dress like Batman or Superman all the time, yet when a woman dresses like Catwoman or Wonderwoman she's a slut. As long as the costumes are somewhat creative, I think Halloween is a fun way to step outside of yourself and try on a new personality.

Although, it does call to mind Lindsay Lohan in Mean Girls, how she dressed up all nasty and scary with the giant fake teeth, and when she showed up to the party all the other girls looked like hookers. I mean come on, be a little more creative than dressing like a streetwalker with a police badge and a fake gun. "Ooh, I'm a policewoman." Yeah...

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, Halloween is about having fun. Now I agree that some costumes are just stupid (like the slutty firefighter costume), but what about a sexy super-hero? Guys dress like Batman or Superman all the time, yet when a woman dresses like Catwoman or Wonderwoman she's a slut. As long as the costumes are somewhat creative, I think Halloween is a fun way to step outside of yourself and try on a new personality.

Although, it does call to mind Lindsay Lohan in Mean Girls, how she dressed up all nasty and scary with the giant fake teeth, and when she showed up to the party all the other girls looked like hookers. I mean come on, be a little more creative than dressing like a streetwalker with a police badge and a fake gun. "Ooh, I'm a policewoman." Yeah...

slutty firefighter costume? why was I not told of this?

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

I like when your mom does too.

Mom says "thank ye!" :biggrin:

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

am I being a grumpy old lady??

not really. but it isn't just halloween. I am not one who likes to judge or
moralize, so...I think it's probably the problem and responsibility of
a given parent or parentS. they used to travel as pairs, matching sets,
bookends etc.. :tongue:

conversely, to be fair, I aint got any kids, so I don't know what I would
think about all this if I did. have kids that is, particularly a young daughter.

me not know. was only trying to crack wise, make jovial. I think the
whole thing is weird to be honest. halloween. hell, all the holidays.

they're industries now, not really fun and games. I try to not get
too much of society on me in general, as it is mostly pretty much
sordid without necessarily being immoral or evil or anything.

more like one gimmick after another. eh...halloween'll be over
in 36 hours or so. no biggie :smile:

 

[snowraven]

Halloween is actually a very ancient festival to do with remembering our ancestors timed (here in the northern hemisphere) to coincide with the passing of summer and the approach of winter. Like so many other things it has become so commercialised that it's original meaning is forgotten. That doesn't mean you shouln't party though. Enjoy.

 

[anonymous51]

Like snowraven said it is an ancient celtic festival which has survived the suppresion of the christian church. People would dress up scary and put hollowed out turnips with candles in them outside their house.

Eventually during the 19th century, millions of Scottish and Irish families moved to America and Canada and brought their culture and traditions with them, halloween being one of them. Just like every tradition that went over to america it became warped and awfully interpreted, then of course the corporations took hold of it and turned it into a commercial holiday.

I suppose people can do whatever the hell they want, but to me halloween is supposed to be a scary festival, not to dress up like a slut. Its a serious tradition, and its a shame that people just let it turn into a big payday for the halloween costume industry. Your supposed to make your own costume, not buy one .

 

[LenaLunacy]

Halloween, imo, is jst a chance to dress up, get drunk, be slutty etc. It's very commercialised now. I'm sure i will see many of these costumes tonight, as i'm working on checkouts on a high street with loads of clubs, so everyones gonna be coming in before going off to party, i'm sure.

 

[Anju]

It's kinda like Christmas, lost it's meaning to comercialism a long time ago...

 

[aoeu]

Eh, I think sluttiness is usually a comparitive measure, so it's a chance for many women to show off their tits without gaining the label.

My girlfriend went as a succubus last year. I was O_O the whole time.

 

[Bigman2232]

Some biological physiological part of me probably is jealous, but I can't tell. The truth I do know though, is that you are a man and of course you find nothing wrong with it. And about the slut word being used by women against women is false. Men use it against women all the time.
You do make a good point about people having the freedom to dress however they want on Halloween, it is afterall Halloween, but I guess I was taught that a respectable woman shouldn't have to expose herself to get attention, even if it is just a costume. But even the kids are doing it now, so what does that mean??
Question Bigman; Would it be acceptable for your girlfriend or wife to dress provocatively/slutty on Halloween? What about your daughter? your mom?

Well I guess I must live in a different world because the only times I ever heard the word slut is when one group of girls is describing another girl. I've heard people use slutty but that's an adjective and slut is the demeaning term.

Just because I'm a man has little to do with my view. I know the difference between things that should be stopped and things that don't matter. The part that should be stopped is letting younger teens having access to more provocative costumes as well as preventing exposure to the adults wearing them. However the adults can do whatever they want for themselves. It is their choice and responsibility to deal with any consequences.

If I was even lucky enough to have a gf/wife, you're damn right I would let her dress as what ever she wants. 1) because I don't control her, 2) because I know that at the end of the night, I'll be the only one who gets to see the real her and not the costume and act she is putting on.

If my daughter was 18 or older, she can dress as she likes, 16/17, I have some say but I'd still let her start to make her own mistakes.

My mom could do whatever she wants as long as I don't have to see her.

Thinking about this issue has mad me realize how full of shit a lot of the feminists on my campus are. They applaud women who remain covered up and act in a certain way to become equals with men, but denounce those who feel free enough to use men's own stupidity of doing whatever a pretty girl says, against them. They basically introduce their own rules that must be followed, that replace the "rules" from the 50's.

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

Halloween is actually a very ancient festival to do with remembering our ancestors timed (here in the northern hemisphere) to coincide with the passing of summer and the approach of winter. Like so many other things it has become so commercialised that it's original meaning is forgotten. That doesn't mean you shouln't party though. Enjoy.

Northern Hemisphere? How North?

anyway, here is a wiki article that supports the celtic and early european origins of the holiday.
it seems the holiday Halloween was a worldwide phenomenon, sort of like Christmas, in that the mixing
of exsisting religious traditions or pagan traditions had either religious or pagan signifigance superimposed
on them in one direction or another depending on what they were in the first place. anyway, I'll assume
you meant Mexico/United States and Canada for now those are all fairly northern. I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead

 

[HappyAZaClaM]

Like snowraven said it is an ancient celtic festival which has survived the suppresion of the christian church. People would dress up scary and put hollowed out turnips with candles in them outside their house.

Eventually during the 19th century, millions of Scottish and Irish families moved to America and Canada and brought their culture and traditions with them, halloween being one of them. Just like every tradition that went over to america it became warped and awfully interpreted, then of course the corporations took hold of it and turned it into a commercial holiday.

I suppose people can do whatever the hell they want, but to me halloween is supposed to be a scary festival, not to dress up like a slut. Its a serious tradition, and its a shame that people just let it turn into a big payday for the halloween costume industry. Your supposed to make your own costume, not buy one .

a SERIOUS tradition anon? that's ok for the 19th century I guess.
in the 21st century, I don't think turnips with candles in them are gonna
scare away evil spirits and whatnot. we needs ghostbusters fer that :laugh:

only joking. eh...of course it's commercialized in America. everything else is.
my next comment is not to you directly but rather in response to the
thread in general that..there seems to be a bit of a fixation with "dressing
slutty" and so on. reading this thread as the only source of info, one
would get the FALSE impression that "slutty" was ther only costume
available at walmart. there's lots of em.

I officially now deem this a goofy thread :biggrin:

 

[noplacetogo]

Mom says "thank ye!"

:tongue:

Well I guess I must live in a different world because the only times I ever heard the word slut is when one group of girls is describing another girl. I've heard people use slutty but that's an adjective and slut is the demeaning term.

Semantics.

If I was even lucky enough to have a gf/wife, you're damn right I would let her dress as what ever she wants.

What if it made her butt look big?

Thinking about this issue has mad me realize how full of shit a lot of the feminists on my campus are. They applaud women who remain covered up and act in a certain way to become equals with men, but denounce those who feel free enough to use men's own stupidity of doing whatever a pretty girl says, against them. They basically introduce their own rules that must be followed, that replace the "rules" from the 50's.

And you know what these feminists believe in because of what I am saying about revealing Halloween costumes?

 

[Bigman2232]

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Semantics.

What if it made her butt look big?

And you know what these feminists believe in because of what I am saying about revealing Halloween costumes?

What she decides to wear is up to her and if it wasn't flattering I'd be honest and tell her. But I don't think I'll ever have a gf, hence why I'm on this forum in the first place.

No, I know what the feminist say because I listen to their protests, articles and other means of communication on a relatively frequent basis because I go to a school that is at minimum 6 to 1 female to male. I also listen and read many points of view so that I can get a complete picture and not just assume one side knows more than the other. This isn't the first time I've talked about this topic.

 

[Bubble]

Dont celebrate halloween here

But have seen all those maid, police, fire fighter dress ups and must say i cannot be bothered for them.

last dress up party i went to i went as snow white (and the children version) Not the one with the short skirt and fish net tights.