How do you feel about Iraqi insurgents ?

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  1. OutCaste

    OutCaste Well-Known Member

    Terrorists or Freedom fighters ?

    What is your opinion on Iraq ? Is it illegal occupation or you think its legitimate ?
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  2. Aaron

    Aaron Well-Known Member

    I think it is/was an Illegal occupation.
  3. OutCaste

    OutCaste Well-Known Member

    And what are your opinions on Iraqi insurgents ?
  4. Aaron

    Aaron Well-Known Member

    In what way?
  5. Rockster

    Rockster Guest

    Well some of the insugrgents are terrorists, others are the Iragi tribes who had nothing to play in the whole saddam thing and are just trying to claim back their land. Others are terrorists and the whole war WAS legal and justified... But the clean up operation should have been shortened
  6. OutCaste

    OutCaste Well-Known Member

    Why do you think the war was legal ?
  7. Rockster

    Rockster Guest

    Because if it wasn't a) we would have received major penalisations from NATO/UN and because the 670,000 (i believe this is roughly right) lives that have ended over the past few years didnt have to succombe to torture AND many more would have died else
  8. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    Which ones? I certainly can't muster up much sympathy for the remnants of the Baath Party, nor for the Shi'ites that have ethnically cleansed Baghdad of Sunnis nor for the Kurds that have directed a nasty campaign against Arabs in the areas they control. So, I'm curious which ones you mean.

    The country is a giant clusterfuck, with or without the US, with or without Saddam Hussein and with or without any outside interference at all.

    The main cause the war was fought (WMDs, nuclear and chemical) has been clearly shown to be wrong, AND I think the preponderence of evidence now indicates that the intelligence presented the US Congress was "guided" in such a way as to show Iraq in the worst possible light. Having said that, the Baathist government was also in violation of numerous UN resolutions, had been pulling chicanery like violating the "no fly" zones and targeting US aircraft with surface to air missiles. In other words, there was enough provocation that technically the US could have gone to war at any time, at least as I understand the rules on these sort of things, especially based upon the agreement that ended the 1991 Kuwait War. Which agreement Saddam signed onto and then basically not only ignored, but also went out of his way to provoke a response. So, in a curious way, I do think the occupation is legal, even as the original, stated cause of the war probably was specious, and indeed, not presented honestly to the US legislature, the UN or the American people.

    The fact that Saddam was a vicious monster? I'm honestly not sure where that comes in. As I noted above, Iraq as a country is an absolute clusterfuck, top to bottom, start to finish. It very well may be the sort of place where a modicum of order can only be maintained by a thug so savage and brutal he keeps all keeps all the lesser thugs in line out of fear.
  9. hammockmonkey

    hammockmonkey Well-Known Member

    If firefighters fight fire, and crimefighters fight crime . . . what do freedomfighers fight?
  10. Rockster

    Rockster Guest

    fight for freedom and gmork i agree to an extent with your post
  11. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    I think theyre fucking idiots who should have long realised that as long as they resist we can say "Look, the country is not stable and therefor it would be wrong to pull out" .

    That said, I'm all for the war as access to that lovely oil keeps my standard of living higher at the expense of a bunch of apparent savages.
  12. Rockster

    Rockster Guest

    To be honest i cant believe you came out with that. I don't think i have ever heard a bigger piece of crap remark ever. War is the worst damn option ever, people end up being killed for something that isn't even their fault. As for apparent savages, they have done what every country and civilisation has done with the resources they have available, they have adapted.

    SO your telling me if Russia invaded America or the UK, and those countries put up a fight that they would be idiots? Because i don't see much difference there
  13. hammockmonkey

    hammockmonkey Well-Known Member

    Yeah, who are these people who clam to be the cradle of civilization? Fucking savages! They should be bowing down in happiness for the oppurtunity for porn and mcdonalds! Also, how dare they get pissed off just because we've blown up huge sections of their infrasuctures, and killed thousands of civilians, we need to be able to get gas on the cheaps; after all our economy is in the shitter.

    I mean, if the USA needs something it isn't a war of aggression, it's a regime change because Saddam was evil. Not that we'll go into Sudan and crush the regime there (no resources so that regime isn't that evil), and it's only "acts of genocide" there so we don't legally need to intervien.
  14. jameslyons

    jameslyons Well-Known Member

    The US had no right to enter Iraq. Once it did we should have given over control of destabilized Iraq to a International group funded by the United States.

    The worse part about Iraq is that all those civilians and historic sites had to be destroyed in order for a few people in the US Government to effectively transfer all of US funds into a few private individuals. Iraq was only a backdrop for the theft of the US Treasury by the Bush Administration. After all, how else could they transfer over 250 billion pounds to companies like Haliburton and Blackwater The US deserves what it's getting for all those stupid, assho## Bush/War supporters.

    Some members of the insurgency are fighting for their country and homeland. And I can't fault them for that. Other "insurgents" are religiously motivated terrorists that spend all day blowing up men, women, and children who have nothing to do with the occupation. They're scum and I don't consider them to have much to do with the insurgency. They're just Middle Eastern politics moving to a vulnerable are of the Middle East.

    I wish it was possible to save those people in the Middle East who want nothing to do with the asinine violence that pervades it.
  15. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    Freedom? :laugh:
  16. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    backward assed head up their arse savages yes. but what about the
    women folk and da babies and dogs and kittys and whatnot?

    for having such an an EVIL dictator, Iraq WAS the most forward thinking
    country in that soon to be glass sculpture God forsaken part of the world if
    I get my hands on the red button from anonymous51's red button post.
    nuked out of exsistence is more humane if the only other choice is to be bombed
    slowly but surely out of exsistence at the cost of many innocent lives.
    the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    anyway, in Iraq before we won the hearts and minds of the Iraqui people,
    women wore dresses and makeup and everything. oh well. political
    arguments are usualy likened unto urinating into yon wind.
  17. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    I don't know enough about them to have an opinion. I'm just glad they're over there and I'm not.

    I was against this pointless thing from day one and I don't care to say the folks who voted for Bush were dumber than dirt. The future will look back on this period with bewilderment (if there is much of a future). Saddam may have been a filthy tyrant but Bush is gonna come out smelling like an unwashed asshole too so history is not going to be kind to him or his fan club. The last 8 years have just been one great big skidmark in America's shorts.

    Hopefully, there will be some relatively painless way to end this thing but it's going to be nearly impossible even with a president who's smart enough to just wants it to be over.
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  18. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    that kind of anti American talk'll get ya nowhere mister. shape up
    or ship out!

    try to imagine that as a REALLY BAD John Wayne impersonation and it
    may be a tad enjoyable. or, ...*shrug* possibly not. it's always a gamble
    you know how it is. usually a tough crowd on here anyway.

    hey, how bout that Oprah thread. things are heatin up over there.
    could be they need to shut that thread down here afore too long!
  19. hammockmonkey

    hammockmonkey Well-Known Member

    That was clearly not Anti-Amurican speech. I mean, I'm saying it wasn't a war of aggression, because we have an innate right to it (they're muslim and **coughbrownsinnedcough**). Besides, Saddam was evil, he was apart of the axis of EVIL! I mean seriously, come on what more do you need the Hall of Justice to declare that Superman is going to take him down? Please, we're living in the real world not in some fantasy world here.

    Those people, while claiming (not claming as I stated earlier) clear don't know that civilized people don't have wars in their own countries, I mean really, what is that? They should be grateful to be liberated. We'll build them way better roads and shit. Also, we can totally up grade their goats with some nice Monsanto something or others, and we can give them Monsanto grain! (At least one shipment, all the rest they have to pay for and any mutations from Monsanto patented grains are owned by Monsanto).

    Who wouldn't want this? Its a good deal.
  20. soliloquise

    soliloquise Well-Known Member

    iraq and the lies that led up to it is and was a disgrace. i am ashamed of being human sometimes.
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