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LenaLunacy

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My mom has often voiced her opinion on suicidal feelings and self harm around me and her main opinion is that it's only the younger generation, i.e. the under 25, who really suffer from this. Why? Because of the 'depressing' music and dvds we listen to.
I, personally, don't agree with this at all. Suicidal thoughts affect anyone, regardless of age. And, imo, have NOTHING to do with the 'depressing' lyrics in our songs or the graphic programs we now watch. Plus, i know many of the (no offence meant) 'older' generation, her generation i would say, that are suicidal, or have been....
So what are your opinions on my mother's view of suicidal feelings and self harm?
 
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i personally think the people who suffer depression turn to depressive music because people seem to want to listen to music they can relate to. i cant see music making you depressed but depressed people listening to the music does make sense.
 
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Robin

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bhawk said:
i personally think the people who suffer depression turn to depressive music because people seem to want to listen to music they can relate to. i cant see music making you depressed but depressed people listening to the music does make sense.
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Ketchup Song :yes:
 
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LenaLunacy

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aoeu said:
Show your mom the antiquities forum.
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Haha. My mom went mental the first time i told her about this place. She seems to think it will make me worse. When in reality it's one of the few thigns that keeps me alive.
But yea, the antiquities forum on here just blows my moms opinion right outta the water
 
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LenaLunacy

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I was just walking downstairs, with a short sleeved shirt on and an old scar showing...and she goes 'that's a nasty cut' and i was like 'no it's old' and she was like 'well it's deep. I don't know. Teenagers today...in my day and age we used to just get on with it.' ¬¬
 
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Jenny

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It's like the chicken and the egg though eh.. I mean, did i become depressed because of the music i listened to or did i listen to the music because i felt depressed and it seemed to be the only thing i could relate to, and it helped me? It seems easy to blame music and 'youth culture' on everything.. easier than looking at her own role she may have played/be playing.
 
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aoeu

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Total lies.

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/health01.htm

Higher in 1981 than today. I don't know when she was a teenager, but chances are very good that the suicide rate was similar back then.

Also, it should be noted that young people are more suicidal on the whole - hence why there's only a special, small forum for the antiquities - but I think that has to do with hormones and trying to find our place in the world, rather than the music we listen to.
 
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cerise_wrists said:
'well it's deep. I don't know. Teenagers today...in my day and age we used to just get on with it.' ¬¬
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My parents used to say that sort of stuff to me too.
What that's really saying is, "In our generation, we learned that getting help = weakness, so that is how we want you to feel as well; it's only fair."
 
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LenaLunacy

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Yea it's true that the suicide rate was higher back then. But then, what about self harm. Self harm has been on the rise quite rapidly recently, i think (?) And my mom and gran say it wasn't something that was around in their day? Is that because of youth culture, or was it just more hidden and not talked about in the generations of my parents?
 
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Jenny said:
It's like the chicken and the egg though eh.. I mean, did i become depressed because of the music i listened to or did i listen to the music because i felt depressed and it seemed to be the only thing i could relate to, and it helped me? It seems easy to blame music and 'youth culture' on everything.. easier than looking at her own role she may have played/be playing.
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Egg came first due to evolution.
although i think your right the music becomes a scapegoat for society that wants to pass the buck, i think many problems do stem from the family and lack of communication. lack of communication being the main problem.
 
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aoeu

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I want to see proof before I believe that. I don't suppose it's anything new, because self-harm is a biochemical thing [endorphins + adrenaline = relief] which has remained constant throughout human existence. I also suppose you would have been more careful not to get caught. But I don't think we're any different than we used to be.

Edit: bhawk, you're answering the question as it is written, not as it is meant. The question is properly, "which came first, the chicken or the CHICKEN egg?" Pointing at eggs of other species is pretty sketchy.
 
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LenaLunacy

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But then...taboo subjects, like anorexia, mental disorders and everything, are much more widely 'accepted' (for want of a better word), whilst suicide and self harm are, slowly, getting there...so tht makes me think that maybe self harm, suicide and all that was existent in my parents generation, but due to the serious taboo nature of it, similar to today, it was never mentioned, and hence noone really knew about people doing it.
 
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cerise_wrists said:
My mom has often voiced her opinion on suicidal feelings and self harm around me and her main opinion is that it's only the younger generation, i.e. the under 25, who really suffer from this.
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Nope, at least according to this...

http://www.suicidology.org/associations/1045/files/2005datapgs.pdf

The highest suicide rates are in the 45-54 y/o age bracket, at least in the USA, as of 2005 and for several years before.

And of course men are WAY more likely to carry off a suicide than women are, in the aggregate, again at least in the US. (I think the figures reverse in China.)

Why? Because of the 'depressing' music and dvds we listen to.
I, personally, don't agree with this at all. Suicidal thoughts affect anyone, regardless of age. And, imo, have NOTHING to do with the 'depressing' lyrics in our songs or the graphic programs we now watch.
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Not so sure of this bit, however. I think to an extent we are what we eat, to use a truism. But if you have any empirical evidence you can use to buttress your point, I'll concede.

Plus, i know many of the (no offence meant) 'older' generation, her generation i would say, that are suicidal, or have been....
So what are your opinions on my mother's view of suicidal feelings and self harm?
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I spent three months on a locked ward for a suicide attempt, and three more months in the mental health part of a community hospital in 1980-1 (age 16 to 17.) Quite frankly self-harm and anorexia were barely on the table, leading me to think it is much more prevelant among adolescents these days than it was back then. Suicide I'm not so sure, but I'd guess it is probably roughly the same.

And like I said, suicide rates for older adults is not much different than they are for a younger age demographic. In fact they're slightly higher.
 
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