I know this has been brought up before, but... So, I know most people don't count tattooing and piercing as a form of deliberate self-injury. And I see a lot of the obvious points, i.e. you're not actually doing the injury yourself. Though you are paying and choosing to have it done. Some people say the aesthetic value negates it. I've never quite gotten this logic, since I personally often view my cutting as something very akin to art and never do it haphazardly. I find some of the scarring oddly beautiful, though I suppose that is rather an added unhealthy view. But anyway, my question is, setting aside piercing and tattooing, where do some of the more extreme forms of body modification fall? Like scarification and branding. You are paying someone to cut or burn you and some of the aftercare which can last weeks and months can be extremely painful and punishing. Where is the line?