I don't know what to do...

Discussion in 'Help Me! I Need to Talk to Someone.' started by DRL070, Feb 1, 2007.

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  1. DRL070

    DRL070 New Member

    I've known this girl for a few weeks now and we've gotten to be pretty close. We call each other daily and enjoy each others company.

    But yesterday she gave me a chilling phone call while I was in class. I noticed my phone ringing and answered, and we started to talk. I knew something was wrong by the tone of her voice. She told me that she tried to commit suicide and she was heading to a hospital. This shocked me completely. I did'nt know what to do or what to say. At the time my teacher was hovering near me so I told her that I would call her in a few minutes when school was let out. When I got home she called me again and we began the conversation. I tried to find out why she did this and what was the matter, but I could'nt get much out of her.
    about a half an hour later she called once again and said the she was at a medical ward in the waiting room. She then said that she wanted my phone number
    again because she would'nt be able to use her phone. I then proceded to give it to her, then she told me she would call me later that night. This was the last time I had talked to her.

    Another friend of mine who knew her better than I did informed me that she has Munchausen Syndrom which can cause this type of behavior. I also found out that this was not the first time she had tried to do this.

    I am still in shock and very sad of this. I'm really in a hole and don't know what to do. I don't know how she is doing, I don't know what hospital she is at, I don't know what to do. I've tried calling and leaving messages but her phone remains turned off.

    Please help me on how to cope with what is happening, and give me some knowledge on what to do!
     
  2. Scum

    Scum Well-Known Member

    Wow, that sounds like an awful lot for you to take in.

    First off, I don't know if you know much about Munchausen's Syndrome, but this is something I found at http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/2800/2821.asp?index=9833

    'Munchausen Syndrome
    What is Munchausen syndrome?
    Munchausen syndrome is a type of factitious disorder, or mental illness, in which a person repeatedly acts as if he or she has a physical or mental disorder when, in truth, they have caused the symptoms. People with factitious disorders act this way because of an inner need to be seen as ill or injured, not to achieve a concrete benefit, such as financial gain. They are even willing to undergo painful or risky tests and operations in order to get the sympathy and special attention given to people who are truly ill. Munchausen syndrome is a mental illness associated with severe emotional difficulties.

    Munchausen syndrome—named for Baron von Munchausen, an 18th century German officer who was known for embellishing the stories of his life and experiences—is the most severe type of factitious disorder. Most symptoms in people with Munchausen syndrome are related to physical illness—symptoms such as chest pain, stomach problems, or fever—rather than those of a mental disorder.

    Note: Although Munchausen syndrome most properly refers to a factitious disorder with primarily physical symptoms, the term is sometimes used to refer to factitious disorders in general. In this article, Munchausen syndrome refers to factitious disorder with physical symptoms.

    What are the symptoms of Munchausen syndrome?
    People with this syndrome deliberately produce or exaggerate symptoms in several ways. They might lie about or fake symptoms, hurt themselves to bring on symptoms, or alter diagnostic tests (such as contaminating a urine sample). Possible warning signs of Munchausen syndrome include the following:

    Dramatic but inconsistent medical history
    Unclear symptoms that are not controllable and that become more severe or change once treatment has begun
    Predictable relapses following improvement in the condition
    Extensive knowledge of hospitals and/or medical terminology, as well the textbook descriptions of illnesses
    Presence of multiple surgical scars
    Appearance of new or additional symptoms following negative test results
    Presence of symptoms only when the patient is alone or not being observed
    Willingness or eagerness to have medical tests, operations, or other procedures
    History of seeking treatment at numerous hospitals, clinics, and doctors offices, possibly even in different cities
    Reluctance by the patient to allow health care professionals to meet with or talk to family, friends, or prior health care providers
    Problems with identity and self-esteem
    What causes Munchausen syndrome?
    The exact cause of Munchausen syndrome is not known, but researchers believe both biological and psychological factors play a role in the development of this syndrome. Some theories suggest that a history of abuse or neglect as a child, or a history of frequent illnesses requiring hospitalization might be factors associated with the development of this syndrome. Researchers also are studying the possible link with personality disorders, which are common in individuals with Munchausen syndrome.

    How common is Munchausen syndrome?
    There are no reliable statistics regarding the number of people in the United States who suffer from Munchausen syndrome, but it is considered to be rare. Obtaining accurate statistics is difficult because of dishonesty in representation. In addition, people with Munchausen syndrome tend to seek treatment at many different health care facilities, which causes misleading statistics.

    While Munchausen syndrome can occur in children, it most often affects young adults.

    How is Munchausen syndrome diagnosed?
    Diagnosing Munchausen syndrome is very difficult because of the dishonesty that is involved. Doctors must rule out any possible physical and mental illnesses, and often use a variety of diagnostic tests and procedures before considering a diagnosis of Munchausen syndrome.

    If the doctor finds no physical reason for the symptoms, he or she might refer the person to a psychiatrist or psychologist — mental health professionals who are specially trained to diagnose and treat mental illnesses. Psychiatrists and psychologists use a thorough a medical history and physical, laboratory imagery, and psychological assessment tools to evaluate a person for Munchausen syndrome. The doctor bases his or her diagnosis on the exclusion of actual physical or other mental illness, and his or her observation of the patient’s attitude and behavior.

    Questions to be answered include:

    Do the patient's reported symptoms make sense in the context of all test results and assessments?
    Do we have collateral information from other sources that confirm the patient's information? (If the patient does not allow this, this is a helpful clue.)
    Is the patient willing to take the risk for more procedures and tests than you would expect?
    Are treatments working in a predictable way.
    The doctor then determines if the patient’s symptoms point to Munchausen syndrome as outlined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV), which is the standard reference book for recognized mental illnesses in the United States.

    How is Munchausen syndrome treated?
    Although a person with Munchausen syndrome actively seeks treatment for the various disorders he or she invents, the person often is unwilling to admit to and seek treatment for the syndrome itself. This makes treating people with Munchausen syndrome very challenging, and the outlook for recovery poor.

    When treatment is sought, the first goal is to modify the person’s behavior and reduce his or her misuse or overuse of medical resources. Once this goal is met, treatment aims to work out any underlying psychological issues that might be causing the person’s behavior or help them find solutions to housing or other social needs.

    As with other factitious disorders, the primary treatment for Munchausen syndrome is psychotherapy (a type of counseling). Treatment likely will focus on changing the thinking and behavior of the individual (cognitive-behavioral therapy). Family therapy also might be helpful in teaching family members not to reward or reinforce the behavior of the person with the disorder, but often the person is estranged from his or her family.

    There are no medicines to treat factitious disorders themselves. Medicine might be used, however, to treat any related disorder—such as depression, anxiety, or a personality disorder. The use of medicines must be carefully monitored in people with factitious disorders due to the risk that the drugs might never be picked up from the pharmacy or might be used in a harmful way.

    What are the complications of Munchausen syndrome?
    People with Munchausen syndrome are at risk for health problems (or even death) associated with hurting themselves or otherwise causing symptoms. In addition, they might suffer from reactions or health problems associated with multiple tests, procedures, and treatments; and are at high risk for substance abuse and suicide attempts.

    What is the prognosis (outlook) for people with Munchausen syndrome?
    Some people with Munchausen syndrome suffer one or two brief episodes of symptoms. In most cases, however, the disorder is a chronic, or long-term, condition that can be very difficult to treat. Further, many people with Munchausen syndrome deny they are faking symptoms and will not seek or follow treatment. Even with treatment, it is more realistic to work toward managing the disorder rather than to try curing it. Avoiding unnecessary, inappropriate admissions to the hospital, testing, or treatment is important.

    Can Munchausen syndrome be prevented?
    There is no known way to prevent this disorder. However, it might be helpful to begin treatment in people as soon as they begin to have symptoms.'


    Maybe reading that might give you some insight into it.

    Having said that, it is important to remember some things

    1, You do not know for certain that she has been diagnosed with it, it could be that this friend of hers is just assuming, because she made a suicide attempt, that she has this illness. Most suicide attempts are unrelated to Munchausen's, so just be aware that you may not be getting facts, more a warped and ignorant opinion.
    2, If she does have this, it is an illness, she does need help and support, and it is not something she has 'chosen'. Like any mental health problem, she can, at the very least, get it managed with time and appropriate treatment.

    Maybe you could write her a letter, about everything you are thinking and feeling, and then give it to her when you next see her, or send it when you find out where she is.

    Chasing her won't help because she clearly has her phone off, therefore, you either have to wait for her to come to you, or talk to her friend and see if she knows.

    With regards to you and your well-being, it is important that you keep talking and receiving support yourself. Keep posting if you want to, if it helps, keep talking to your friends and family about how you are feeling.

    If you need to chat, feel free to PM me

    Take care, and good luck
     
  3. Allo..

    Allo.. Well-Known Member

    Hey DRL,
    I'm sorry but there isn't really anything I can tell you..
    You need to continue to stay strong for her and wait for her call, perhaps ask her other friend if they have spoken to her or for a way to get in touch with her?

    Good luck DRL,
    Take care,
    Ally _%
     
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