Idealists are stupid.

Discussion in 'I Have a Question...' started by HawthornePassage, Aug 5, 2012.

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  1. HawthornePassage

    HawthornePassage Well-Known Member

    I once knew a woman I was trying to get to know who shared many of my traits and probably would have been a good companion had I had more time and stamina, but man, idealists can be so stupid some times. That was the real kicker. Besides that, she would have probably been pretty good. Partly because I need someone fiery and unstable; I'm too stable and cold.

    She was some kind of 'revolutionary' and would always post crap about violence and the eurozone. One time, I replied with a logical analysis about how Greece was partially at fault for the Eurozone crisis due to overspending, etc. but at the same time Germany was overstepping and being cruel, blah blah blah. It was promptly deleted with a lecture about how passionate she was about this issue.

    Then later, I got desperate as she proved elusive and had anxiety about calling about 4 times (backed out even after promising, I sat there awake for 36 hours with her oblivious, trying to keep the real serious shit a secret until later), felt I was going to be dead in two days, so I sent a message which got completely misinterpreted in the worst way possible. It was then that I beheld a true firecracker. The whole OMG I CAN NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS IM GONNA CUT OFF CONTACT FOREVER I DONT TRUST YOU AT ALL bullshit. I explained the miscommunication and said I understood how it could be taken that way about 10 times, but was continuously ignored. Also, there was some other tangent. I'm pretty cold and calculating, and I have figured out a way to make a pretty big impact on the social structure of society over time. This woman is a socialist. I explained to her, on this tangent, my plan (which included advancing 'enlightened' socialism) thru becoming extremely wealthy and subverting the system/bringing suffering very different people together so they could function high instead of being marginalized and committing suicide. She basically declared she would never accumulate wealth because she was a socialist. I said I was a fucking socialist too. She was baffled at that. How do you want to accumulate wealth yet can be a socialist? Well, see, capitalism is the system that works today. Socialism will not work without a shift in the public conscience amongst other things. Therefore, you must use the tools available (even if necessary evils, though I'm not entirely anti-capitalist) to bring about the change. What do you think, ranting about how much communism rocks on your blog, cheering that France got a socialist PM and supporting guerrillas in Sri Lanka + a bunch of protests is going to change anything and scare the capitalists away? NO, it won't. The combination of hard rationalism + very high compassion + revolutionary tendencies seems to be very rare.
     
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  2. Acy

    Acy Mama Bear - TLC, Common Sense Staff Member Safety & Support

    Rants increase awareness. Because economies are international and depend on so many factors, one blog is unlikely to change things on a large scale. Large-scale changes come from organized movements that reach a lot of people and demonstrate that the changes can have desired effects.

    Hawthorne, if you can your hands on this novel, I'd recommend it to you as a very interesting read: The Breaking of Eggs (by Jim Powell), Penguin publishers. The story concerns a leftist thinker who is confronted with new information about his family, his politics and the past and he must reconsider his values in light of those. I won't say what he decides as that is the point of the novel. It was a good read. :smile:
     
  3. HawthornePassage

    HawthornePassage Well-Known Member

    They don't do shit because they just get un-done over and over again and there's a very small percentage that actually cares enough. Its not like they actually change many peoples' opinions.
     
  4. Acy

    Acy Mama Bear - TLC, Common Sense Staff Member Safety & Support

    Maybe they don't change lots of people's opinions, but if they make even one person think twice, that's a step in the right direction. Change sometimes occurs in small increments before a big change is evident. If every single person were a little nicer to one other person each day, the world would be a much better place. And it wouldn't take much to do it. The changes you would like to see are part of the deep structure of modern western culture. It will take a lot to change that, I think.

    As one person, I don't think I will change the whole world. So I take hope in the fact that I can demonstrate my values in the way I live and how I behave locally. I believe goodness has a ripple effect, like a pebble tossed into still water. If lots of people toss pebbles, the rings get bigger and stronger. Don't give up hope. Sounds like you have many ideas to share with the world. :smile:
     
  5. HawthornePassage

    HawthornePassage Well-Known Member

    it occurs faster if you actually do something worth anything, especially refusing to do something because it violates your ideals when its logical is idiotic. anyway thats besides the point, which is that idealists are silly
     
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