If your religous or easily offended do not read

Discussion in 'Rants, Musings and Ideas' started by Kaos General, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    I am sick and tired of people telling me their gonna say a prayer for me or that god loves me, yahweh loves me, jesus died for me etc.

    I am not religious. I do not want anyone to say a prayer for me and i certainly dont want it rammed down my throat.

    Jesus, god, mohammed can kiss my ass and wax my balls.

    Look they didnt strike me down.

    If you find religion helps you, good for you, but i dont wanna know how jesus can save me. the only person who can save me is me. So please get your religion out of my face.
  2. boo

    boo Well-Known Member

    You better run before zealous crusaders find you... :mhmm:

    And if Jebus really died for our sins, then i say let he not died in vain :mhmm:
  3. Terra

    Terra Well-Known Member

    meh.. religion is just a way of coping with it don't you think?
    I'm not religious in any way, and the whole "I'll say a prayer for you" really depeneds, if it's a friend I'll take it as they care, if it's just someone more random they either are too convinced or just want to show off in a sense.

    I want to say ignore it, but it's not easy when you keep running into it.
    Anyways, youre not alone in feeling that, just let them enjoy their invisible support from the so-called all knowing
  4. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    :lol!: Im getting sick of all the "i'll pray for you" and "yahweh loves you" and "jesus died for you"

    I truly believe that if you think jesus speaks to you or god loves you then your a schizophrenic
  5. boo

    boo Well-Known Member

    What offend me most is people that thank god after a sport win or after winning an award.... LOL, if god didnt have time to save the starving people or the sick, i REALLY doubt he's gonna give a two rat's ass about your success. Yes, Kanye West... I'm looking at you!
  6. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    :lol!: and amy lee as well lol lets not forget about her
  7. Prof.Bruttenholm

    Prof.Bruttenholm Well-Known Member

    God and heaven doesnt exist.

    But demons and hell do.

    You're all going there with me.
  8. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    no your going there with me get it right now lol
  9. Things

    Things Well-Known Member

    I'm atheist too, it sometimes annoys me I admit (especially if the person is being aggressive about their faith). But I kind of see "I'll be praying for you" as saying "I hope things get better for you".

    "What offend me most is people that thank god after a sport win or after winning an award.... LOL, if god didnt have time to save the starving people or the sick, i REALLY doubt he's gonna give a two rat's ass about your success. Yes, Kanye West... I'm looking at you! "

    Oh definitely. X( Or people who think you shouldn't be allowed to do anything but wait for God ("faith healing"). Whether he exists or not, it doesn't mean we shouldn't do things ourselves. Ulgh.
  10. ema

    ema Antiquities Friend

    I'm in the American South and I get sooooo tired of hearing it, too. But, saying they are praying for me, I've realized, is just one way of saying they care or understand the difficulty.

    What I hate is my mother in law always pushing her stuff. She constantly asks if we've found a church yet. Last time I told her I didn't know I lost one. She didn't find it funny, but I did.

    And what's sad is, I believe in God, just not all the Jesus stuff and all that.

    Now she's on a thing about the end of the world and storing up canned goods. Don't you think, I wonder, if God cared that much about the saved that he would make sure she would have something to eat?

    I went to seminary and I believe in God, but my husband came out of her southern baptist right wing religious background and he's now and atheist. She blames it all on me!

    We tell her we are going to the local Buddhist temple or the Mosque or the Catholic Church and it drives her crazy. She has to go pray for us.

    She even told us to pray over our car when we make trips or it will break down.

    There's caring and then there's overboard borderline crazy.

    Very sorry if I've offended anyone. I try not to when it comes to things like this, but geez, I do get fed up.
  11. cult logic

    cult logic Staff Alumni

    I find the religious to be frightening if anything in this day and age.

    You have to bypass so much logic and reason to be able to believe have such blind faith.

    Questioning is so vital to the way of things, not doing so is how things like Nazism got started...
  12. Things

    Things Well-Known Member

    Ema- Exactly! As long as they're not be condescending about it, it's a nice gesture.

    Ah, that sucks though. I've never had to deal with zealots in real life like that.

    Heh, I thought it was funny. Made me chuckle.

    About that end of the world thing, I'm confused as to why they're (people that believe this) storing food and stuff. Isn't God supposed to...I don't know, beam them up when the rapture happens? What's the need for all that food?

    "She even told us to pray over our car when we make trips or it will break down."

    Is this what's going through her head?:

    God: Hah, a flat tire! That's what you get for not believing in Me! *shakes fist*
  13. Infinite Sadness

    Infinite Sadness Well-Known Member

    "I truly believe that if you think jesus speaks to you or god loves you then your a schizophrenic"

    My mother in law is a schizophrenic and she thinks god talks to her..omg evangelical born again christain to boot. ok..case in point!!

    I *heart* this thread.
  14. ema

    ema Antiquities Friend

    Actually, there were various backgrounds for Nazis, which most people don't realize. Some were Christian, and they actually went through and purged or changed much to fit what they needed. There was also a renewed faith in some in the mythic gods of the Teutons, and a bunch of mysticism. A lot, well, just didn't have any, or pretended not to.

    The actual principles behind what most of us think of as "Nazism" were scientific. The US fed the Germans a tremendous amount of eugenic material. A lot of Americans don't know this because we've quietly tried to forget it. We led the way in the field well before Hitler and the National Socialists came along. Sociology and economics also were utilized, as well as medicine and other burgeoning fields.

    Anyway, I guess my point is that science can be just as dangerous as religion, depending on how it is applied.

    But, anyhow, yeah, I can't figure out why my mother in law things she needs to stock up on canned goods. Either she's going to get taken up right away, or if left, I would think she would be provided for. Weird thinking. But, hey, if she wants to eat canned beans every time she thinks the end is here, she can have at it!

    I just keep trying to come up with answers for when she asks me if we've found a church yet. Once I told her that we looked all over Atlanta and couldn't find a single church building. She didn't find that funny, either.

    She actually welcomes the door to door people into her house and tries to convert them.

    She also chastizes me for not like the heat. She told me I would never make it as a farmer. I told her I had no intention, ever, of being a farmer and she got really upset. Just because her family were farmers doesn't mean I have to be. And, she isn't a farmer. So, what the hell?? It's like the end times means I have to go to the midwest and farm? I guess to grow all the foods she can't get canned...

    Here's the real kicker: she gets this end times stuff from her pastor. I want to know why he is running a campaign to collect over $1 million for a new church if the world is going to end. Why do they need the church?? She got really mad when I asked that.
  15. UnkelHeit

    UnkelHeit Well-Known Member

    Chuck, I'm going to be watching every thing I say to you. I don't want you coming after me. I'm especially scared of invoking the wrath of the third fist. That's something I heard on tv so, of course, it may not be true.

    Of course I'm new here but I've been around other forums and groups. Even if I hadn't in the short time I've been here I've seen exactly what you're talking about. Like someone already mentioned, it can be somebody's way to show they care. Which is fine at first or once in a while. It can get irritating when people don't pick up on that you're not really responding to it. If it's ongoing I just try to ignore it. I try to respect other's beliefs but not when they're trying to push it in your face. Just try to remember it's well intentioned. I guess if it's ongoing and you otherwise like the person eventually you'll have to say something.
  16. greyroses

    greyroses Well-Known Member

    A level deeper, and it boils down to people. Its people I dislike. People who have no respect for alternate ways of thinking, or of enjoying or untangling life. People who would disregard others to tickle their own fancies. But Religion is only one of the many excuses used to be a jerk...I think it is also the most disturbing (like someone said, there needs to be no logic, absolute faith, and can excuse violent behavior and promote discrimination etc... and basically you are dealing with cult members...).
    I called up a family member once when having a melt-down. I was suicidal. She said she would pray for me. I asked if she could stop throwing god at me for one minute and just *listen* to me and respond from her own heart. She said she couldnt. The positive: the result rage got me out of my suicidal mood. The negative: that is one less person that I can call now when suicidal. Which is really funny, actually.
  17. Perfect Melancholy

    Perfect Melancholy SF Friend

    I would say amen to that but I think that maybe an oxy moron, I agree with what you say.......now lets all watch the chicken dance:sparkle: fuck I must be tired
  18. cult logic

    cult logic Staff Alumni

    I believe you missed my point, or perhaps misread. Maybe both.

    I didn't suggest religion was responsible for Nazism, I said blind faith and the lack of questioning is.

    Religion, science, or anything unquestioned perpetuates ignorance. Generally to believe a religion you have to be able to not question it, though.
  19. Robin

    Robin Guest

    I see no problem with science or religion, either separate or together, I've seen scientific folk use the same argumentative techniques religions used hundreds of years ago to disprove the round earth and orbit around the sun theories and have also seen religious folk attempt to persuade you dinosaurs were around when Jesus was :)

    Einstein had no issues with pursuing science and believing in God at the same time and there are Jews who believe in Jesus as Christ. Really, the universe/multiverse is possibly so large we might never have any idea or concept how to even approach guessing what could wait for us in the darkness and if our universe cannot support a beginning without an end then maybe we belong to a greater universe where the laws of physics are so different that it can? Or maybe this is an only universe born from the death of a single human mind?

    Science could discover tomorrow empirical proof of a nasty fate awaiting us when we die and we would burn ourselves in the chaos to escape such a despicable and eternal demise or maybe religion would sacrifice the world in it's own fire to sate the blood lust of a forgotten god?

    I'd like to agree wholeheartedly with those that have posted that neither science nor religion themselves are inherently evil, but personally I believe that compassion with either will get us to where we need to go sooner or later. Even if we turn out just to be brains in pods feeding a matrix like artificial intelligence, the truths we base our beliefs or science may be irrevocably flawed but compassion and suffering will remain a part of the human condition and the human spirit, God or no God.

    In response to the OP, I took the view that he was not willing to accept help from anyone or anything, and is not willing to help himself, I know many take this stance in the hope that their suffering will peak to such a point beyond their capacity to endure giving them the final push they long for to end their intolerable suffering once and for all but most tend to be cursed with a spirit that can absorb the worst of evils beyond those that a damaged mind can cope with.

    I find it odd, personally speaking of course, that everyone here on this site may be in possession of a Universal Truth that is so profound and so simple it defies logic and mathematics and goes beyond any covenant we choose to make or accept. A single gathering of being(s) that know what may take science and/or religion millions of years to discover, that we are already born with the most important things in life, an human heart and the ability to care.

    Thank you all for your ability to care :) if not for yourselves but for others, who knows, in the extra breath you may grant another, their descendants at the end of time may find or build a heaven for us all to rest :)

  20. Young suicider

    Young suicider Well-Known Member

    I think an Admin needs to send out a message informing no one to "say a prayer" for anyone unless you know they are ok with it.

    It bothers me a lot.