It's not fair

Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by Cerberus, Sep 14, 2007.

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  1. Cerberus

    Cerberus Well-Known Member

    Urine Test

    Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.

    I work, they pay me.

    I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
    In order to get that paycheck.. I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with.

    What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?
    Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.
    I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone who is not.
    Could you imagine how much money this state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
  2. teutonic

    teutonic Member

    This may come close to a stupid question, but I fail to see what kind of urine test you have to pass. What is being tested?
  3. Cerberus

    Cerberus Well-Known Member

    point is, i get tested for drugs by giving a urine sample at my job , as do alot of other people who work and pay taxes. people who don't work collect free money (my money) from the state (welfare, food stamps, etc) and don't have to take a drug test. i feel if i am supporting them , then they should have to take one each month before they get my money. i have no problem with them on welfare/food stamps but if i have to follow the rules , why shouldn't everybody else ?
  4. teutonic

    teutonic Member

    I think I understand your concern, but for this to be logical we have to look at how many Americans have to undergo this procedure on a regular basis.
    If only employees in certain occupation groups are tested, then it's unfair for everyone on public assistance to be also tested.
    It could be argued that you should look for another job if you intend to indulge in casual drug use.
  5. Cerberus

    Cerberus Well-Known Member

    i guess you don't quite understand or you have a very liberal concern about drugs. first off i don't do drugs. second off i drive a big rig for a living. 95 -97 % of the people i know have to take drug tests to get or keep a job. and none of them do drugs either. it's the professons we all are in. it seems to me white collar jobs and the poor don't do it. but the blue collar group , who take care of the white collar and the poor who get my money through taxes, are the ones who get the urine test.
  6. teutonic

    teutonic Member

    I still can't make too much sense of your point. When driving you have a great responsibility which slackers don't have.
    I guess, besides drug tests you probably have to pass eyesight tests, too.
    Do you want poor people to pass eyesight tests as well before they can get their money?
    Now imagine all kinds of different tests people have to take in all kinds of different professions.. you can't expect anyone applying for welfare benefits to go through all those tests..

    I think it's fair for unemployed people agreeing to do community work to receive their money, others might face cuts. That's basically what we've got here.
  7. I'm all for welfare, and I think the recipients should get more money.

    I also encourange work.

    Everyone should have their basic material necessities. If we're not gonna be equal (communists), we should at least give everyone what they need to survive. Laziness is not always the issue, for people out of work. Let's not be judgemental.

    We must accomodate some. I'm all for hard-work, and all that crap. But, please, let's not deny that some mental diseases are slowing down people, and that it is very hard for some, and that we don't all start equal.

    I'm a communist, because I was born in a Communist Country, where it was Utopia. No prostitution or porn, or drugs. We were all happy, but sure the greedy didn't have their palaces, but who cares? Capitalism and americanization gave the greedy palaces, and others went into prostitution, drugs became an epidemic. Basically, it's social darwinism at work, when they embraced that idealogy.

    I understand capitalists' arrogance and nastiness, but me I'm a sicker sociopath, so I'm above you, and I control things, so I'm not worry about your arrogant replies.


    Praise Jesus.

    This post better get approved.
  8. SpareTire

    SpareTire Well-Known Member

    The point also is if you are disabled and can't work then fine you deserve welfar checks. But if you are able but to dumb, lazy or to high to work you DON'T DESERVE MY TAX MONEY. If you are in the United States Illegaly you don't desrve shit other then the back of bus back over the border or forced into serve in the milatary for atleast 2 yrs. I also drive big truck and the state makes me pass drug test's. If I fail I can't drive, I dont drive I don't work, I don't work I GET NO MONEY! WHY THE FUCK IS SOMEONE SITTING BACK DRINKIN AND DOPEING UP TAKEING MY TAX MONEY THAT I CAN'T EVEN GET! Let alone the scumbags collecting several checks.

    Pwwww I feel a little better.... soar subject.
  9. ACRon

    ACRon Well-Known Member

    Im more concerned my taxes get spent on military arms, sports stadia, crooked politicians etc....

    I dont mind paying taxes for people who are unemployed, under priviledged and needy. I hate the fact that distribution of wealth is unfair but i don't blame people worse off than myself because i feel thats letting the REAL criminals off the hook
  10. snafu

    snafu Member

    First of all, ppl getting temporary financial (CASH) assistance often do have to work a certain amount of hours at a job provided by the DHS in order to get the assistance (I am not including disabled people). Secondly, many of these people that are getting temporary financial assistance have worked before in their lives too so they have also paid into these programs. Third, it's not easy to get approved for these programs, if that is what you are concerned about. Sure, you don't have to do a drug test, but you have to fill out lots of paperwork and make many appointments and even tho you have an appointment it is likely that you will be waiting an hour or more to be seen. Also you have to constantly update and bring in the expected documents. You have to get personal with strangers about your problems. Paperwork is lost easily and then you have to come in AGAIN and give it to them. Disorganization is not uncommon....
    Also, many of the people that work at the places that set up people that need financial assistance, food stamps, etc., are not very nice people. Appointments can easily run 2 hours after waiting more than an hour to get seen and then when you are seen you are very very lucky to get someone nice. The medical insurance is crappy. No one wants to take it nowadays. It is very hard to find someone that will. Good luck if you are in need of a specialist! Ha! Because of disorganization and lost paperwork and falling behind....the medical insurance isn't always there when you need it. You go to the doctor and find out your medical card is not effective. Or you go to get a prescription and instead of covering a month of the medicine you need it covers 8 days worth.
    Being on assistance isn't all roses and candy.
    I could rant on this for quite awhile....but gonna stop now
  11. hammockmonkey

    hammockmonkey Well-Known Member

    I work but didn't have to take a drug test for my job. I don't like how much the government takes of my paycheck. Mostly because I don't get a say in where that money is spent. I don't mind the idea of my money paying for the roads I use, for the people in my community, for the schools, for welfare etc. I do have a huge problem with my money being spent on the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan. and what the fuck is FICA?

    I have friends who are in the military, I tell them I hope they come back alive and do whatever you have to do to come back. But, I tell them I don't want them there. That I think they shouldn't be there.

    I understand the outrage, especially since, I'm guessing, you're on payroll taxes? And don't get any of those tax cuts. Fucking always cutting taxes for those who can pay them and putting more of the burden on people who struggle to get by.
  12. SpareTire

    SpareTire Well-Known Member

    I'm on payroll they do tax the shit out of me. When I had my taxes done this past time, my acct said I paid more in taxes over the year them some people earn in a year. And thats not including the taxes I pay when I buy beer or smokes. And it's only gonna get worse if one of these demarcates takes Bush's seat. But the whole country is up in arms over this war that they will vote any Dem into office because they say they will pull our troops out. But Most Americans don't read the fine print when comes to voting. Raising taxes.... Bad Idea. Pulling troops before the job is done, Bad Idea. Letting all the illegals hop a squat, Bad Idea. Voting a Dem into office...... Priceless. This country will go down the tubes.
  13. Testify

    Testify Well-Known Member

    A "Driver, sorta" pays more tax than some people earn? And do tell me about the Democrates[sic].
  14. SpareTire

    SpareTire Well-Known Member

    Well I'm not gonna justify my earnings, but Being a driver is not all I do, I have 3 gig's, but all involve driving, 2 styles big truck 3 in total and I have 6 4 wheelers on the road earning ( well not lately). And for the record I know and I am related to some owner op's who made over 200K this year so far, most average 100k AFTER they pay the fee's involved to owning a truck. That 100K is PROFIT. I also know guy's who will be lucky to break 30k. It all depends on what you do, haul and how you work it and where. And unless you are familiar with the states other then what you see on TV or spending a few years here, I won't waste my energy. And speaking of, How much of the Democratic party do you fallow? And if your gonna say news programs, then save it. So I won't waste my time there either. So if you feel the need to try and criticize me, please do, I don't mind. But what I do mind is sarcasm without reasoning. And what the hell is [sic]?
  15. Cerberus

    Cerberus Well-Known Member

    this thread has shot all over the place. some good points were mad between all the ramblings going on. like what was already said to a point, military/gov't spending has gotten out of hand. nothing like spending millions of dollars to blow some desert up, we all call afganistan and the other trash can countries over there but then to turn around and spend billions to rebuild it all along while getting blown up by the a-holes who don't like. sore topic for me since i was in the military and i saw first hand how much time/money they wasted.
  16. Cerberus

    Cerberus Well-Known Member

    good point. glad at least somebody understood this original post.
  17. teutonic

    teutonic Member

    That's Latin (the language of the ancient Romans which has later been used in Europe until the 17th century) and means "so" or "just as that". It is commonly used when quoting material verbatim which contains incorrect spelling. "Testify" was probably alluding to your spelling of the word "Democrats" which you spelled "demarcates".

    On a side note, let me mention that I am wondering why Testify partly corrected that mistake (he spelled it "Democrates") in his post.
    [sic] indicates that no unintentional transcription error was made.
    I mean, if one doesn't quote something verbatim, then they are, by definition, not allowed to put [sic] behind it!

    edit: fixed typo, lol
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  18. chasing_dreams

    chasing_dreams Well-Known Member

    Did wonder about that :laugh:
  19. SpareTire

    SpareTire Well-Known Member

    LOL...Thats classic...........And sorry, somtimes I just don't wanna do a spell check. Its not like I'm using this site to run for POTUS seat
  20. silent_enigma

    silent_enigma Well-Known Member

    No pee tests for self employed blue collar. :p

    (I'm just being funny don't get all mad.)
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