Keeping religion to thyself

Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by ACRon, Apr 15, 2007.

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  1. ACRon

    ACRon Well-Known Member

    Is it better to just not talk about your religion. In my travels across the globe ive met loads of people. what i know to be true about all religions is that they all stem from the same place. most individuals contend with the exact same problems, their battle against their inner demons and their perception of what it is to be human.

    If fools worship preachers of the like mentioned in suicide ideations thread it takes the focus away from the heart of love, life and community which is 'god given' to most of us at birth.

    people take their religion so personally, we all love different things but the love we have is all from the same place, and its as righteous and deserving as the next persons faith. the fact we defend it with such vigour is incidental of the fact that we are vulnerable, if it was 100% we wouldn't need to defend it

    One thing I know is that people are fundamentally the same. they all have the same weakness' but the objects vary dependant on where your from. If you were raised with different surroundings you could quite easily be another faith. So why bother going on and on and on about it. starting bitching on public forums designed to save peoples lives.
  2. theleastofthese

    theleastofthese SF Friend Staff Alumni

    The is the Soap Box: a place for people to talk about what bothers or inspires them. That is why religious discussions are restricted to this forum. Religion both offends and inspires, thus people have strong feelings about their religion, or lack of it.

    I see religion as the Light of Truth as refracted thru the Prism of Humanity (or Human Perspective). It's the same Light, just seen in different colors, by different eyes and viewpoints.

  3. ACRon

    ACRon Well-Known Member

    in addition to your list; 'at different times' aswell. some people change switch and convert a lot on route to their faith.
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  4. Ziggy

    Ziggy Antiquitie's Friend

    When I tell people I'm a vegetarian they often go "Ah ha, but you eat fish"
    I then say "Ok, I'm a Pescetarian then"

    When I explain that's what you call a vegetarian who eats fish they then say "Ah ha, but you eat crips which have animal rennet in". To which I can only respond "So?"

    Basically I eat what I want to eat, it's very important to me what I eat, and I'm sorry if there isn't a category or label that neatly fits my diet but that's just the way it is.

    The same is true for my religious beliefs as well.

    Many people think that all Christians have to share the same beliefs and all Buddhists have to share a whole set of different beliefs but they don't. Everyone has their own beliefs which are unique and personal to them but which they share with people of different races and faiths all across the planet.

    Why do we have to label people, stick them into groups and not respect them as individuals?
  5. TG123

    TG123 Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry I can't do that

    I'm sorry but I can't keep God's awesome love and power and grace a secret from other people. When I was hurting and on the verge of taking my life, He stood by me and after I found Him and accepted Christ as my Lord and Saviour, He carried me through and continues to carry me through rough waters. Jesus died on the cross for me and for you, so that believing in Him and following Him we can have everlasting life in Heaven.
    He has given me and so many others hope and without Him I know I would be dead today. I cannot be a good friend or a help to someone and not tell them about the only true hope there is that will help not only here on this earth but also in eternity. That hope is Jesus Christ.
    He loves you and died on the cross for you, and He is willing to accept you as His follower. Accepting Him will not guarantee or even make likely a life free from worries or pain or rejection. It may even make it worse. But HE will help carry you through and His light will shine through you to others in this world and help make it a beter place. And when it ends on this earth, He promises you eternal joy and peace in Heaven.

    Cristo Vive!
    - Tomasz
  6. ACRon

    ACRon Well-Known Member

    Re: I'm sorry I can't do that

    No need to apologise, I think its amazing you are so open about your faith. I think its wonderfull you choose to share it with such passion.

    It was somewhat whimsical for my taste though. i dare you to walk into a bar and scream that at the top of your voice. One of my points was to appreciate that Jesus and God and everyone else is a concept like any other. Thats not to dispute their metaphysical existence however
  7. I've been a Christian, a good Christian, and a Fundamentalist Christian.

    It's all a big DELUSION. It transforms some, it changes you. But it isn't true.

    And it has helped a lot, of course it has. Cuz the delusion transforms you. I've been a Christian so I know what I'm talking about. I understand Christians when they speak, I know they're absorbed in their delusion. So they talk as if it's really true.

    It has helped a lot, BRAVO. I'm happy. And the absorbed ones, they can view this post as from someone that's not saved yet, or from someone that's going to hell, or that the devil sent me to test your faith by using logic.

    Bottom line is the Bible is only a fiction book, and that nothing concrete has ever been proven. And that in this life on earth God will not help anyone, ever!

    If pornostars can live up to 100. And children in Africa are dying. How is God interfering in this life?

    So now if you're a Christian you're in a nice dreamy optimistic EUPHORIC state of mind, not afraid of death.

    I'll stop here. But I will continue to expose Christians for the perverts they are. As long as they're out preaching that I'm going to hell. I'll tell them how stupid they are for believing in flying pigs. We must expose their hypocrisy.

    Humans evolved from lower species. I mean it's obvious. We're animals. And it's obvious that Christianity is crap.

    Even if the christian god is true. I'd never worship him. What kind of an idiot is he?

    We're animals. And civilization is crap.

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  8. RainbowChaser

    RainbowChaser Well-Known Member

    No offence, but if you couple those two statements up, you sound really dumb. It's like you've admitted you've been a pervert. Well done.
  9. I personally reject LUST. Cuz I'm not a pig. I am not a pervert. And what I meant is that I was going to expose Christian perverts, like Ted Haggart, and Catholic priests that rape boys. And all other hypocrisies.
  10. ~Nobody~

    ~Nobody~ Well-Known Member

    All of those kinds of pervert should be exposed and in my opinion tortured horribly.

    However you were suggesting that believing in Christianity full stop is perverted and hypocritical.

    I disagree.
  11. ACRon

    ACRon Well-Known Member

    I feel the initial spirit of this thread has become somewhat lost. I hope certain folk one day let their inflated sense of ideology burnout like the candle lights of misplaced hatred they truely are
  12. RainbowChaser

    RainbowChaser Well-Known Member

    You know, I saw suicide_ideation's first reply on here and knew someone would say this - I just didn't think it would be so soon! You obviously have a very real understanding of compassion and understanding between people Sketches :hug:
  13. ACRon

    ACRon Well-Known Member

    well someone had to say it :hug: you also
  14. TG123

    TG123 Well-Known Member

    Re: I'm sorry I can't do that

    Hi Sketches,

    You do have a point. I do need to be more open about my faith and I am probably a lot more open online that in 'real life', although I am trying to change that.

    When it comes to evangelizing not online, I believe in being helpful and loving to people and getting to know them, and letting them at some point know what I believe in. I think that the best way to proclaim the Christian faith is to live it out, words carry little value for most people if not backed up by living them out. At antiwar rallies and human rights events I try to show that human rights and peace and social justice are integral components of the Gospel. So I'll make a placard saying 'Jesus died for the people we are bombing' or 'Choose Jesus, reject injustice'. A church I began going to does a lot of outreach to people in our city and particularly in the poor communities, and I look forward to doing some stuff with them soon. If people want to have a discussion about Christianity or faith and they want my opinion I'll put it in. I have been more vocal about my faith but it is something I need to work on more.

    I understand the point you are making and sorry if I changed the topic for a while but it's a forum right :) ? I agree with you that in a way, Christianity certainly is a concept and many people struggle with it. It doesn't help when some 'christians' do not follow their faith and give Jesus a bad name. Christianity is a concept that is hard for many to accept and sometimes even harder to follow (speaking from personal experience!) but nevertheless it is true. I pray that one day more people will come to accept Jesus.

    It was nice talking to you and all the best!

    Cristo Vive!
    - Tomasz
  15. TG123

    TG123 Well-Known Member

    No offence meant, but how do you know you were a 'good Christian'? I can't say that about myself, that I am a good Christian or even a good person. We are all sinners. Only God is good. We may have done some good things, but it is all thanks to Him.

    How do you know it is not true? I know that after I became a Christian, it certainly changed my life. I began caring about others more. I began to forgive and love people, even those who were cruel to me. I began combatting some bad and sinful habits I have had (suicide, pornography) and although I am still not completely free He is helping me. The hold of these evils on my life is weaker and weaker and He is helping me shake them off. I got more involved in the movement against war and for social justice and human rights.
    None of these was my doing, it was God working through me.

    If this 'delusion' transforms you and makes you help others more (when you follow it) and be a less sinful person, what is wrong with it? Martin Luther King and Archbishop Romero followed this 'delusion' and look at what God has done through them.

    I believe you have seen a lot of hypocrisy from people claiming to be followers of Jesus, that you have either experienced or seen people being hurt by them. I think their actions have discouraged you from following Him, and that you have come to associate their crimes with His Message. I may be wrong. I sense a lot of hatred in your heart for Christianity, and I believe that this hatred was put there by the actions of some who completely perverted and twisted the faith.
    I pray that one day you come to accept Jesus and follow Him.

    The apostles who were being crucified and burnt alive and fed to wild animals and whipped and imprisoned in Ancient Rome for holding these beliefs might disagree with you. Would you be willing to die for something you know is a lie?

    He has helped me. If He didn't, I wouldn't be alive today to tell you this.

    The Bible clearly states that injustice happens. It is not God's work, but the work of Satan. Christ calls on us to speak out against the sins of the porn stars, and to feed and stand up for the rights of the children dying in Africa. We are called to work for social justice, help and defend the poor, be peacemakers, oppose sin, and be prepared to suffer and die for living out our faith.
    Christ's Message is revolutionary. If more people followed it, the world would be a much different place.

    Amen, that is very accurate. I am prepared to die at any moment because I know where I am going. Can I ask you a question? Are you afraid of death?

    I have no problem with you exposing the hypocrites and speaking out against sin. I myself have a lot to improve in my life to follow Jesus more closely. When I sin I fall short of living out the Gospel, and I pray to God to keep me on the straight path and yank me back on it when like the idiot I am I stumble off it.

    So if they were not to say you are going to Hell and they were perverts, you would not have a problem with that? Sorry, I'm not following.

    Flying pigs?

    Good idea. But please do so as a follower of Jesus, and don't let the hypocrisy of some turn you away from Him. And try not to excercise hypocrisy yourself.

    How is either of these obvious and what is the correlation?

    He has shown you more love that anyone else has, and has shed His blood for you so that you can one day turn to Him and live out your faith in Him and inherit eternal life in Heaven. He is willing to forgive you for your hatred of Him and will not turn you away if you choose to put your faith in Him.

    I agree with the second point.

    Take care and I am praying for you. May God bless you with peace in Jesus Christ and may you find Him one day.

    Cristo Vive!
    - Tomasz

    Amen! Blessed be His Name!!!
  16. I wish I hadn't started these threads.

    I don't wanna be selfish and just keep talking to myself.

    I'd like to respond to everything you people have wrote to me. And cover your points.

    Everyone so far has been nice to me, and I've been very nasty. So I apologize. I can't be rude to everyone because of a few hypocrites. I was wrong and I'm stupid. Sorry to everyone.

    I'll find another place and a better way to expose the hypocrisy in the Church.

    Look I've even redirected the subject of this thread...

    And this is a suicide forum... Look what I've done, I'm a sadcase,

    Tomasz is a good person and a real Christian. And everyone else on these boards is nice.
  17. Darken

    Darken Well-Known Member

    I think people should keep personal beliefs and fantasys to their self unless some one ask them to discuss them. I think its unnecessary and dangerous to try and force your beliefs on other people especially when they have no evidence or proof.
  18. theleastofthese

    theleastofthese SF Friend Staff Alumni

    Apology accepted. All of us here have been nasty and rude at some point. We all make mistakes and do things we regret afterward. Please come here if we can help you in any way. I think we are a very understanding group of people here and are willing to go the extra mile to help someone in pain and misery. You made some good points and I often feel the same way: depressed over the badness and sadness I see in the world, particularly when it's committed by so-called "good people" or people in a position of authority. But I find that the majority of people are, as Anne Frank said, "good at heart". Don't let a few 'bad apples' spoil the rest of the barrel. There is more good than bad in the world, the bad just makes more noise and gets more attention.

  19. Esmeralda

    Esmeralda Well-Known Member

    I've always liked the quote from Saint Francis - "Preach the Gospel, and if necessary, use words."
  20. muslim

    muslim Well-Known Member

    can i ask u what is the aim of ur posts???
    i am not christian as u c from my name

    but i want to ask u
    u were a good christian that is good
    what bring u to that situation of hating christianity
    just because pornostars live up to 100 and african childs not

    if u plz explain for us the reasons in brief points
    may be we convert from christianity and islam

    and reach to ur truth

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