right earlier in chat i asked a rather simple question: Is an animals life more important than a plants? this led onto several points being raised, one of consciousness and intelligence. Is a living things lifes importance decided by its conscious abilities? If so what about people in coma's? and people in severe vegetative states? are they less important than conscious people? Recent research has shown plants communicating via mycelium, warning others of potential threats. Now does this in anyway indicate a form of conscious which is different to the model of consciousness we so often look for? What if plants are literally conscious but in a way we dont recognise? What are the implications to vegans? One person stated the importance of life could possibly be measured by intelligence. Now intelligence is a multifaceted thing, in different forms. Crows, have been shown to be as intelligent as apes, fashioning tools and using them. They have a self awareness and yet they are culled as vermin. Pigs too fall into this category, highly intelligent yet slaughtered by the millions. If intelligence is a measure of the importance of life does this mean a retarded person has less importance than a member of mensa? basically the simple question opened a can of worms on the ethics of everything we do. The logical conclusions to each idea throws up yet more ethical conundrums There are many people on here more intelligent than i that i would love to hear from on this subject, i would like peoples views and any musings you may have on the subject.