Lets just say it again - in case someone didn't quite get it the first time round: MENTAL ILLNESS IS A MEDICAL CONDITION I read post after post here of people saying they feel so bad they want to DIE - that in their daily life they feel so awful that their constant overriding thought is how to make the pain stop - by any means necessary - including killing themselves... Then state they WILL NOT SEE A DOCTOR and/or that they stopped taking their medication because it made them gain weight or dropped their sex drive or made them drowsy or or or Which is it?? Do you feel so awful that you will do ANYTHING TO MAKE THE PAIN STOP - is your day to day life SO BAD THAT YOU WANT TO DIE - or is it only bad but not bad enough to face being a little embarrassed explaining to the doctor, and not bad enough that you wouldn't rather feel this way than gain a few pounds and not bad enough that you wouldn't rather feel this way than feel drowsy... etc. Being suicidal is horrific- that level of personal pain - that degree of "I NEED this to STOP" is the scariest thing I have ever felt. Panic attacks are genuinely debilitating and traumatic things. When I feel that bad there is not a medication in the world I would not take to make it stop. And then there are all the people who take overdoses then claim that the medications do not work: OF COURSE THEY DO NOT WORK IF YOU TAKE THEM ALL AT ONCE AS AN OVERDOSE - if you are not taking them regularly every day for weeks to build a consistent therapeutic dose to treat your condition, but instead saving them up to overdose on, or taking them all at once at the start so you have none left - then no, they are not going to work. And you might wonder why am I ranting about other people's choices? Why does it make me so angry that people post about preferring to die than take medications with occasional side effects or preferring to die than see a doctor or claiming medications don't work when they are not using them properly - after all, their choices are their choices right? It is not affecting anyone else right? ACTUALLY- NO. NOT RIGHT. It is the incessant stigmatisation and belittling of mental illness that makes it impossible for the people who DO need help (especially in the UK - maybe not so much in the US) to get help. It is the behaviours of people who abuse their medications and don't take them properly that make it so hard for the people who do need them and do want to get better to get proper treatment. MENTAL ILLNESS IS A MEDICAL CONDITION - and by writing all over a SUICIDE FORUM that you think it is humiliating to get help - that meds don't work (even though you won't take them properly, or at all) - that you will lose your independence if you go to the doctor - that talking about your mental health is only for the weak or the pathetic - you are TELLING EVERYONE HERE THAT NEEDS HELP THAT THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF ASKING FOR IT AND ARE STUPID TO HAVE HOPE THAT IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. The sheer volume of people in society that claim suicidal people are just attention seeking, should suck it up, should just get on with their lives etc is appalling. But who can blame that attitude when a huge section of the people who claim to be suicidal won't get treated because: It is embarrassing to talk to a doctor They might put on weight They might not "feel things properly" They don't want to take medication for the rest of their lives ETC Who can blame people for thinking "How bad can it be?" when it is not bad enough to tolerate a little embarrassment, or taking a pill every day, or putting on a few pounds in order to not feel that way? So I say - to those people: Mental illness is a MEDICAL CONDITION - it needs treating by medical professionals. GET TREATMENT. Stop declaring to everyone who will listen that seeing doctors is humiliating and weak and pathetic - take your meds as prescribed and if they are not working speak to your doctor like a grown adult. And, for the love of all things: STOP CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETAL STIMATISATION OF MENTAL ILLNESS so the people that DO feel so bad they would do anything to make it stop can get the treatment they need to get better. Rant over.