More Right Wing Violence (How can we stop it)

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  1. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    It appears that there has been another example of right wing murder spree in arizona as I am sure you are all aware. It appears this guy had links to a right wing anti immigrant group. In addition to congresswoman Giffords a federal judge Roll was killed who had angered many arizonians by ruling against a rancher who abused illegal immigrants in a high profile case.

    Is what the Sheriff said true?
    Arizona Is ‘Mecca for Prejudice and Bigotry’: Sheriff Blames Shootings on TV and Radio ‘Vitriolic Rhetoric’ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ari...shootings-on-tv-and-radio-vitriolic-rhetoric/

    Is the right wing fostering intolerance and bigotry? and why is this acceptable in 2011?

    So just how dangerous are conservatives becoming? And how much to blame are ppl like beck and bachman and angle for inciting the violence. For example bachman called for "second amendment remedies" if they could not win at the ballot box. and so on and so on.............

    How long before another Oklahoma city?

    And are these ppl with all their talk of second amendment remedies and violent overthrow traitors? Is this treason?

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    Incidents of right wing violence since Obamas election?

    A heavily armed (and armored) California man engaged in a shootout with CHP en route to a planned assault on the headquarters of the ACLU and the environmental Tides Foundation. He later said he was "inspired" by Glenn Beck's calls for revolution.
    Joe Stack, an anti-government conspirast, crashed his airplane into an IRS Building.
    James von Brunn, white supremacist, killed a guard at the Holocaust museum.
    Pittsburgh police shooting in which a man killed three Pittsburgh police officers because he was worried about his guns being confiscated; he also had Glenn Beck-inspired fears of FEMA concentration camps.
    Libertarian and anti-government activist John Bedell shot two Pentagon police officers.
    The Tennessee man who killed three at a Unitarian church in an effort to "kill liberals who are ruining our country." He chose a liberal church because if "he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them in to office."
    Florida man, disturbed about Obama's election, killed two police officers at a gun range.
    Wichita physician George Tiller was gunned down in his church by an Operation Rescue member.
    Minutemen militia affiliates killed a hispanic man and his nine-year-old daughter in their home after planning to "start a revolution against the United States Government."

    More ......................

    MoveOn worker attacked at Rand Paul rally

    MoveOn.org worker reportedly received concussion from attack at event for Rand Paul. As media outlets have reported, a MoveOn.org worker who attempted to approach Paul at an October 26 rally in Lexington, Kentucky was attacked, apparently by Paul supporters. The woman was thrown to the ground and then stepped on, causing her head to be smashed into the pavement. According to MoveOn.org, the victim was diagnosed with a concussion at a local hospital.
    Attack on MoveOn worker was the latest in string of violence and threats against progressives

    White powder and swastikas mailed to Rep. Grijalva. On October 21, an envelope containing "a plastic bag of white powder and two pieces of paper with swastikas written on them" was reportedly mailed to Rep. Raul Grijalva's (D-AZ) campaign office. The powder was determined to be non-toxic.

    Byron Williams set out to kill people at Tides Foundation and ACLU. On July 18, Byron Williams was stopped by California Highway Patrol and engaged in a shootout with law enforcement. He later said he planned to murder individuals at the Tides Foundation and ACLU and his mother said he was angry about "Congress railroading through all these left-wing agenda items." As reporter John Hamilton documented, Williams said he saw Fox News' Glenn Beck as "a schoolteacher" and that "it was the things [Beck] exposed that blew my mind." Indeed, the gunman, Byron Williams, was driven by belief in conspiracy theories that have been pushed by Beck and other members of the right-wing media.

    AZ federal judge threatened, Grijalva office fired on after ruling on AZ immigration law. Politico reported in July:

    Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said in a statement he shut down his Yuma district office after staff members discovered a bullet had shattered a window there Thursday. And authorities said U.S. Judge Susan Bolton received hundreds of threats at her downtown Phoenix court offices after issuing the injunction, according to news reports.

    Phoenix man indicted for alleged murder threats against Grijalva and his aides. The Yuma Sun reported on June 14 that a Phoenix man was indicted on federal charges for "allegedly threatening to kill U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva in late April, over Grijalva's opposition to the state's new immigration law." The article added: "Prosecutors say Haynes is accused of calling Grijalva's office in Tucson twice on April 23 and threatening to 'come down there and blow the brains out' of Grijalva and his employees."

    Man arrested for allegedly threatening to kill Sen. Patty Murray. Politico reported on April 6:

    Charles Alan Wilson, 64, was arrested at his home in central Washington after he allegedly called Murray's office on numerous occasions over the last few weeks saying that she "had a target on her back, " and "I want to [expletive] kill you," according to court documents. The alleged phone calls stretched over almost two weeks and were said to be in relation to Murray's vote to pass health care overhaul legislation.

    Wilson, who was arrested in Selah, Wash., also allegedly told undercover FBI agents that he carries a concealed firearm with a permit, and said he was "extremely angry" with the passage of health care legislation, according to the news release. If convicted, Wilson could face up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

    Members of right-wing militia group arrested for allegedly plotting overthrow of the U.S. government. Nine members of the "Hutaree militia" were arrested in March and charged with plotting a violent uprising against the U.S. government, a plot that was to begin with an attack on law enforcement personnel. The Southern Poverty Law Center has called the Hutaree militia as a member of the radical right-wing patriot movement.

    AP: Man arrested for allegedly making threatening phone calls to Pelosi. The AP reported that in the days after the vote on the health care reform bill, "The FBI arrested a California man Wednesday for allegedly making threatening phone calls to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi."

    Threats made against Rep. Betsy Markey. A Denver television station reported that Rep. Betsy Markey's (D-CO) chief of staff "said the calls came on Saturday before the House cast its final vote on health care reform. She said in the first, the caller said to one of Markey's staff members, 'better hope I don't run into you in a dark alley with a knife, a club or a gun.' In another instance, a caller said something like 'better tell your boss that she better be careful when she comes back here to Colorado.'"

    Gas line outside the house of the brother of Rep. Tom Perriello was cut. Rep. Tom Perriello's (D-VA) brother's address was erroneously posted online by a Tea Party blogger who invited activists to descend on the house. In March, a gas line outside the brother's house was cut.

    Threats made against Rep. Stupak after he voted for final version of health care bill. Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) was the target of threatening faxes and phone calls, including death threats. Some of the faxes included "racial epithets used in reference to President Obama," according to CBS News.

    Picture of a noose faxed to Rep. Clyburn. Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), the Majority Whip, said in a March interview on CNN that his office had received a fax of a noose after he voted in favor of the health care reform bill.

    Brick thrown at Democratic county headquarters in Rochester, NY. New York Daily News reported on March 22 that, after the House health care vote, a "brick, to which a piece of paper bearing the message "Extremism is defense of liberty is no vice" was attached with a rubber band" was thrown through the headquarters of the Democratic county headquarters in Rochester, New York.

    Rep. Slaughter threatened with brick and "snipers." CNN reported on March 24: "Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-New York, said her Niagara Falls district office had a brick thrown through one of its windows and a message that referred to 'snipers' was left on one of her campaign offices."

    Rep. Giffords' office window shattered. CNN reported that in March, "a glass panel at the Tucson office of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, was shattered, spokesman C.J. Karamargin said. It wasn't clear how the window was shattered, but visitors have to go through a gated courtyard to enter the office, and staffers suspect someone may have shot a pellet gun at the glass, he said."

    White powder mailed to Rep. Weiner with "drop dead" message. NBC News reported on March 26:

    Authorities are investigating a package with white powder and an angry letter that referenced the health care legislation that was sent to Congressman Weiner's Kew Gardens office today.

    The letter said the Congressman should "drop dead" and complained about the historic health care legislation passed by Congress this week.

    Preliminary field tests showed the white powder was harmless.

    Rep. Driehaus threatened and right-wing blogger publishes his home address. Politico reported on March 24 that a right-wing blogger had published the home address of Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH) and asked protestors to show up at his house. In addition, Driehaus reportedly received death threats.

    Brick thrown through window of Witchita County Democrats' offices. The Kansas City Star reported in March:

    Mike Vanderboegh of Pinson, Ala., former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita.

    "There's glass everywhere," said Lyndsay Stauble, executive director of the Sedgwick County Democratic Party. "A brick took out the whole floor-to-ceiling window and put a gouge in my desk."

    Stauble said the brick, hurled through the window between Friday night and Saturday morning, had "some anti-Obama rhetoric" written on it.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201010260050
     
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  2. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    Alleged AZ Shooter May Have Links To Pro-White Racist Organization

    http://www.businessinsider.com/alle...links-to-pro-white-racist-organization-2011-1

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    On Right-wing Political Violence

    I am sick at heart over what happened in Arizona. It's an appalling act, and while I am not one to pray I will be praying for the recovery of Congresswoman Giffords, and for the family of US District Judge Roll, who lost his life, for the family of the nine-year-old child who lost hers, and all the others affected by this tragedy.
    But I cannot help myself from saying, in grief and anger, this was not a random tragedy.
    The gunman was mentally unstable, to be sure, and his schizophrenia or whatever thought disorder he suffers from clearly was the proximate cause of today's terrible event. But the proximate cause was not the sole cause, not by any means.
    Our political discourse is broken, badly broken. The rhetoric, largely but not entirely from the right side of the political spectrum, has become dangerously unhinged. While threats of violence are nowhere to be found in the direct words of the right wing politicians and influential leaders of the movement, the language of violence is pervasive. Nowhere will you find a conservative directly inciting people to commit acts of violence against their political enemies, but the vocabulary used is that of war, in which no compromise is possible, in which the opposition is evil incarnate. For the past two years, many conservative leaders, activists, and media figures have made a habit of trying to delegitimize their political opponents. Not just arguing against their opponents, but doing everything possible to turn them into enemies of the country and cast them out beyond the pale. Instead of “soft on defense,” one routinely hears the words “treason” and “traitor.” The President isn't a big-government liberal—he's a socialist who wants to impose tyranny. This relentlessly hostile rhetoric has become standard issue on the right. On the left it appears in anonymous comment threads, not congressional speeches and national T.V. programs.

    Consider:
    Congresswoman Bachmann: "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax, because we need to fight back," said Bachmann. "Thomas Jefferson told us, having a revolution every now and then is a good thing. And the people - we the people - are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country," and, "Where tyranny is enforced upon the people, as Barack Obama is doing, the people suffer and mourn."
    Sarah Palin famously tweeted, "Don't Retreat, RELOAD!"
    Sharron Angle, Tea Party candidate in Nevada, famously suggested on more than one occasion that violent revolution was an option if the GOP did not win at the ballot box: "the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry ... the Founding Fathers intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical... I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problem." And also, in the same context, referred to "taking out" Harry Reid."
    ''Our nation was founded on violence. The option is on the table. I don't think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms.'' Tea Party-backed Texas GOP congressional candidate Stephen Broden
    Radio host Michael Savage compared Obama to Pol Pot, adding, "Only vigilance and resistance to this baby dictator, Barack Hussein Obama, can prevent the Khmer Rouge from appearing in this country."
    Glenn Beck -- well, it's hard to pick a single example of overheated rhetoric from this paranoic demagogue, since pretty much it's all the time, but he has said "Obama is trying to destroy the country and is pushing America toward civil war," or similar thoughts multiple times, and has had many many references to Obama and progressives as Satan, Hilter, Stalin, and has called for or warned of "revolution" multiple times. Also, ''I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out.''
    ''My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.'' Ann Coulter
    ''He has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity,'' - Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ), on President Obama's decision to fund international family planning organizations that support legal abortion.
    Rush Limbaugh almost comes across as the reasonable elder statesman, opining that Obama is a socialist and that Limbaugh is rooting for him, "to fail."
    Erik Erickson, of CNN and Redstate.com, asked what is in hindsight a particularly sickening question: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?"
    And, as is now well-known, Palin's PAC featured gunsight logos, crosshairs, over the district of Rep Giffords and 19 others. Her opponent in the election held an event "Get on Target for Victory; Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office; shoot a fully automatic M16." Rep Giffords, presciently, warned that symbolism like that "will have consequences." Tragically, she was right.
    And the popular movement of the Tea Party, while well-behaved and nonviolent in its rallies, also has a pervasive element of the threat of violence in many of its popular slogans; the quote "The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of patriots." was popular on signs at many of the rallies, as well as the not-very understated threat in the movement to bring guns to rallies.
    I am not aware of similar rhetoric coming from the left. If there is, from an elected official, candidate for office, or major media personality, please cite it in the comments and I will add it to the list. I will stipulate in advance that Alan Grayson was way over the line numerous times, and that Olbermann many times excessively demonizes his opponents. Still, the implicit threat of violence is as far as I know unheard of in the liberal public discourse.

    Rhetoric Translating into Violence
    The reason I am so worried and upset about this recent shooting is that while it appears to be the isolated act of a lone gunman, it is one of a series of events which have become increasingly common since Obama became president -- incidents which have been politically motivated or influenced and have caused multiple deaths, most commonly deaths of our public servants in law enforcement. I also remember a much-criticized Homeland Security report issued just after Barack Obama took office, which quite accurately warned of rising right-wing violence. It was decried by conservatives at the time and withdrawn. Consider, though, this sad litany of deaths and injuries caused by armed nuts inspired by the hyperbolic rhetoric from the right, just within the last two years:
    A heavily armed (and armored) California man engaged in a shootout with CHP en route to a planned assault on the headquarters of the ACLU and the environmental Tides Foundation. He later said he was "inspired" by Glenn Beck's calls for revolution.
    Joe Stack, an anti-government conspirast, crashed his airplane into an IRS Building.
    James von Brunn, white supremacist, killed a guard at the Holocaust museum.
    Pittsburgh police shooting in which a man killed three Pittsburgh police officers because he was worried about his guns being confiscated; he also had Glenn Beck-inspired fears of FEMA concentration camps.
    Libertarian and anti-government activist John Bedell shot two Pentagon police officers.
    The Tennessee man who killed three at a Unitarian church in an effort to "kill liberals who are ruining our country." He chose a liberal church because if "he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them in to office."
    Florida man, disturbed about Obama's election, killed two police officers at a gun range.
    Wichita physician George Tiller was gunned down in his church by an Operation Rescue member.
    Minutemen militia affiliates killed a hispanic man and his nine-year-old daughter in their home after planning to "start a revolution against the United States Government."
    These are the recent episodes that have actually progressed to true violence. One should not forget, not too long ago, there were the famous right-wing attacks on America in Oklahoma city, and the Ruby Ridge siege and the milita movement during the Clinton adminstration. There have also been many less serious cases of right-wing violence, which were aborted by law enforcement in the pre-attack stages, as well as serious threats and near misses:
    The three white supremacists arrested for planning to shoot Obama on the day of his inauguration because "no ****** should ever live int he White House."
    And the two different white supremacists with the same plan.
    The Hutaree militia, of which nine heavily armed members were arrested for preparing to kill law enforcement and "oppose by force the US government."
    Phoenix pastor Steven Anderson told his congregation to "pray for Barack Obama to die and go to hell." The next day, one of his congregants showed up at an Obama event with an assault rifle and a handgun. Radio hosts on the right defended his right to bear arms at a political rally.
    Mass Tea Partier Greg Girard, fearing martial law and with apocalyptic fantasies, arrested for stockpiling weapons.
    This is to say nothing of the innumerable kooks who have been arrested (or simply investigated) for sending threatening emails or leaving death threats. This is to say nothing of the routine vandalism of congressional offices during the health care debate. The fact that Judge Roll received "hundreds" of death threats after certifying a civil rights/immigration case to proceed is a sad example of how the hyper-intensity of the debate has consequences. Death threats against public officials have become routine, unfortunately. Normally, they are not serious, but unfortunately in some cases, the mentally unstable decide to follow through on the threats.
    Again, for those who bring up the false equivalency of "both sides do it," I should point out that there was as far as I am aware not a single example of left-wing politically-inspired violence in the last ten years. And I'm not talking about scuffles at rallies, I'm talking about people with guns trying to kill other people for politically-inspired reasons.

    Apologists for the right
    Many reasonable and thoughtful conservatives who themselves would never use such loaded or vitriolic verbiage seem to feel compelled to defend Palin et al. "Palin never called for violence." They demur: rhetoric is just joking, just banter. These are just figures of speech, and are never meant to be taken seriously. They argue that there is no direct incitement to violence. They object that the link between the incitement by public figures and the actual violence is too tenuous.

    To a very limited degree, they are right. Palin, I am quite sure, never actually wanted violence, and certainly never explicitly called for it. The responsibility for the violence lies with the gunmen. But is it false and dishonest to claim that the words, the language, the environment created by the political figures who deliberately cultivate for political gain an absolutist struggle of good versus evil have no relationship to the acts of the deranged who listen them and take what seems to be the next logical step.

    Others object that this or that violent gunman may not have been actually motivated out of politics, or that they were actually liberals or democrats, or that their mental illness makes this all impossible to understand. We don't know why the Arizona killer did what he did. If he is as delusional as his internet trail suggests, we'll never understand. But we know that it has been a time of extreme, implicitly violent political rhetoric and imagery: It is legitimate to discuss whether there is a connection between that tone and actual outbursts of violence, whatever the motivations of this killer turn out to be. This is not "Politicizing a tragedy," as apologists for the right are already complaining. The attempted assassination of an elected official is inherently political and it is completely germane to discuss the political environment that led to it. When MLK was gunned down, there was no controversy about discussing the role racism played in his murder; similarly, when right-leaning psychopaths are repeatedly taking up arms against the government, it is appropriate and necessary to examine the forces which are driving that sort of behavior.

    Put more simply: The point I am trying to make is that Republicans need to stop whipping up crazy people with violent political rhetoric. This is really not a hard concept to follow. There are a lot of nuts out there with access to weapons. Stop egging them on.

    Solutions?
    To be clear: I support the first amendment and I do not propose any sort of censorship or restrictions on political speech. I do not think that there is any individual on the right who should share legal culpability for the acts of madmen. I do think, however, it is incumbent on citizens of all political leanings to call out and reject overheated, absolutist, demonizing, or violent speech, wherever it may come from. And I wish we could make it clear to the professional rabble-rousers whose careers depend on generating fear and hysteria, that they are poisoning the public discourse.

    And we should remember the remarks President Bill Clinton made on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing about the use of political rhetoric.
    "What we learned from Oklahoma City is not that we should gag each other or that we should hold less passion for the positions we hold, but that our words really do matter. There is this vast echo chamber, and the words fall on the serious and delirious alike. Have at it. Go fight. Do whatever you want. You don't have to be nice. But be careful with what you say and do not advocate violence."

    http://allbleedingstops.blogspot.com/2011/01/on-right-wing-political-violence.html
     
  3. johnnysays

    johnnysays Well-Known Member

    What little I have read suggests to me he is not right or left. He's a whole lotta whackjob.

    Put down your political book for a moment. It's obstructing your view on things.

    Anyone who kills an innocent person is a murderer, right or leftwing. Period.
     
  4. cult logic

    cult logic Staff Alumni

    +1...
     
  5. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    Both of you know better than to act as if right wing violence is not a real phenomena. You are being intellectually dishonest and get real..... You dont gotta lie to kick it :) ................. SOOOOO WHAT ABOUT THESE?

    A heavily armed (and armored) California man engaged in a shootout with CHP en route to a planned assault on the headquarters of the ACLU and the environmental Tides Foundation. He later said he was "inspired" by Glenn Beck's calls for revolution.
    Joe Stack, an anti-government conspirast, crashed his airplane into an IRS Building.
    James von Brunn, white supremacist, killed a guard at the Holocaust museum.
    Pittsburgh police shooting in which a man killed three Pittsburgh police officers because he was worried about his guns being confiscated; he also had Glenn Beck-inspired fears of FEMA concentration camps.
    Libertarian and anti-government activist John Bedell shot two Pentagon police officers.
    The Tennessee man who killed three at a Unitarian church in an effort to "kill liberals who are ruining our country." He chose a liberal church because if "he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them in to office."
    Florida man, disturbed about Obama's election, killed two police officers at a gun range.
    Wichita physician George Tiller was gunned down in his church by an Operation Rescue member.
    Minutemen militia affiliates killed a hispanic man and his nine-year-old daughter in their home after planning to "start a revolution against the United States Government."

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    regardless of this specific incident....... since Obamas election there have been at least a dozen incidents of confirmed politically motivated right wing violence.......

    I posted a list. see it. look at it. let it sink in. Its not a joke.

    How long are we going to ignore this?

    burying your head in the sand will not help. Period.

    How many more will have to die at the hands of right wing loons?
     
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  6. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    Arizona and "Second Amendment Remedies"

    During the 2010 midterm elections, Republican senate nominee Sharron Angle of Nevada said that "if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."

    Lest her reference be too subtle for dummies, she immediately added, "I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."

    In March 2009, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn) said she wanted the residents of her state "armed and dangerous" over President Obama's plan to reduce global warming through cap and trade legislation.

    And who can forget Sarah Palin's U.S. map of targeted Democratic congressional districts that used rifle crosshairs?

    Which brings us to Tucson, Arizona, January 8, 2011. One of Sister Sarah's crosshairs hovered over the congressional district of Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, shot with others (including a federal judge, who died) at point blank range while holding a mid-morning, open-air town hall with constituents in a grocery store parking lot. Giffords barely beat a Tea Party-backed Republican to win reelection last November.

    Words and imagery have meaning. The far Right increasingly makes use of these dangerous examples to get their most rabid supporters foaming at the mouth. Make no mistake: these politicians do it because it works. At the least it might win a nomination, and often enough a general election.

    At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that the Arizona shooter is deranged. That goes without saying. But elected officials and candidates who engage in such provocative fan-flaming are planting seeds that encourage gun violence, and anyone with half a brain knows it.

    It's time for the Sharron Angle's of this world, and her fellow travelers, to "man up."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackson-williams/arizona-and-second-amendm_b_806255.html
     
  7. A1231988

    A1231988 Well-Known Member

    Did you see his mug shot? That guy is fucking bananas.
     
  8. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Evidently America is awash with these Murders, I predict that by the end of the month all American democrats will be buried in shallow graves by psychotic backwoods Deliverance style murderers.
     
  9. A1231988

    A1231988 Well-Known Member

    I'm sure they would if they could all get away with it. lol
     
  10. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    Agreed. I mean seriously, if i could be bothered im sure i could come up with a list of murderers with left wing affiliation as well.

    Not really sure what your trying to achieve with compiling a list like this but if it makes you feel better go right ahead, just dont expect people to agree with you. We are going to ignore the problem because the problem only exists in your own mind
     
  11. johnnysays

    johnnysays Well-Known Member

    Found this link earlier:
    http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/jared-loughner-is-a-product-of-sheriff-dupniks-office/

    Waiting for the official media to catch on to confirm this.

    This link is helpful in understand how Jared got a 30(33?)-round extended magaizine 9-mm Glock 19 semiautomatic handgun:
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2041448,00.html

    He would have shot many more people if the gun hadn't tripped on him and hte people hadn't rushed to stop him from reloading.

    The article points out that Cho used the same kind of weapon in Virginia. Cho was already considered mentally ill by virginia when he bought the weapon. He slipped right through the background check. Looks like same thing happened with Jared.

    This guy is a sick person. It's too convenient for your political views to blame the right. It's self-indulgent.
     
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  12. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    No you couldnt. Trying to create a false equivalence is well, dishonest.

    burying your head in the sand will do no good. Congressmen all across the country were threatened during the healthcare debate by right wings. There have been seven incidents of right wing political murders since obamas election.

    Stop trying to be politically correct and act as if this is not real.

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    Black GOP Official Resigns, Citing Arizona Tea Party Threats

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/anthony-miller-resigns-giffords-threats_n_808116.html

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    Man Arrested For Threatening Rep. Jim McDermott’s Life

    In the midst of a national discussion over the country’s political tone, a California man has been arrested for threatening the life of Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA), apparently because McDermott opposed an extension of Bush tax cuts for wealthy Americans. Charles Turner Habermann of Palm Springs, CA was charged with threatening a federal official after he left disturbing voice mails at McDermott’s office on December 9:

    In the first call, Habermann said he’d seen McDermott on television and was enraged by his comments opposing tax cuts for the rich.

    “He’s a piece of human filth. He’s a liar, he’s a communist, he’s a piece of [expletive] garbage,” Habermann said in the recorded message, according to the criminal complaint. Habermann said George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other U.S. founding fathers would “blow his [McDermott's] brains out” if they met him.

    Habermann then threatened to kill McDermott as well as his friends and family, the complaint says. In a second call, Habermann said he had “a lot of money” and “a lot of friends” and that McDermott was “going down.”

    Yesterday, a Colorado man was arrested for threatening to shoot aides for Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO). John Troy Davis, 44, was apparently upset over his Social Security benefits and told staffers on the phone that “I’m just going to come down there and shoot you all.” According to police, Davis also threatened to set fire to the office and stated that he “may go to terrorism.” Threats against members of Congress have increased 300 percent in the first few months of 2010, and 400 percent against the White House since January 2009. The U.S. Marshals Service reports that “inappropriate communications” directed at the judiciary, U.S. attorneys and other court officers have risen from 1,111 in 2006 to 1390 in 2009.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/12/mcdermott-death-threats/
     
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  13. Bob26003

    Bob26003 Well-Known Member

    GOP leaders quash Republican’s effort to ban guns within 1,000 feet of lawmakers

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/gop-leaders-strikes-gun-control-legislation/

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    Gun maker sells assault rifle component engraved with ‘You Lie’ congressman’s quote

    Joe Wilson’s ‘You Lie’ Slogan Offered On Commemorative Assault Rifles


    The Palmetto State Armory just released a commemorative, limited edition “you lie” assault rifle, repeating the phrase made popular by Rep. Joe Wilson’s (R-SC) deplorable break in civility during President Obama’s health care speech in 2009. Palmetto State Armory’s webpage was quickly taken down after the story broke, but the Columbia Free Times captured an image from the site of Wilson holding a rifle and showing the “you lie” inscription etched on to the side:




    Last night on MSNBC’s Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) said, “what other message could we take from having ‘you lie’ on a weapon, a statement that was thrown at President Obama,” and in “a country where we have a film of John Kennedy’s head being blown off with a rifle.” Boxer went on to mention a sticker for sale, that has already been sold out, depicting a donkey — the symbol of the Democratic party — shot five times. The sticker has the words “Liberal Hunting License” written above the donkey and “No Bag Limit” below:

    BOXER: Now what other message could we take from having ‘you lie’ on a weapon, a statement that was thrown at president Obama. What other message is there that this weapon is being designed in effect to be what, aimed at the president of the united states? A country where we have film of john kennedy’s head being blown off with a rifle? How can people in this country even think of putting something like that on a weapon?…And you know, there’s another image. I have one here. I don’t know if you can see it. And I don’t know whether you’ve had it on your show. But this is another one where you can buy this. It’s a sticker. It says liberal hunting license. It shows a donkey with five bullet holes. And it says, no bag limit.

    Ultimately, while conservatives frantically defend their hateful rhetoric in the aftermath of the Arizona shooting, Wilson’s “you lie” assault rifle is a good reminder of how low they’ve sunk.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/12/wilson-you-lie-rifle/

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    Now you cant tell me that selling assault rifles quoting a gop congressman saying "You Lie!" at president Obama is not inciting violence. Are you kidding me?

    These ppl are traitors
     
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  15. wastedmylife

    wastedmylife Well-Known Member

    America turned into a destroyed country when Bush was given the Presidency

    All these Right Wingers who destroyed America will never admit it, so they will keep on destroying it until they face the wrath of what they have done

    America was a different country 10 years ago, even 6 years ago before Bush was given another 4 years in the White House

    On a personal level, I know I would not be in the shape I am in if it was not for the right wingers
     
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