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MarvelFan

Vanity of Vanities
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I hope this becomes a Sticky thread.

What Philosophical or metaphysical questions or answers do you have?

I will start when I was 5 years old I asked my father "why was I painted ryan" and for that question my dad had a little answer but I have not got a really good one from anyone.
 
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Lane

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I hope this becomes a Sticky thread.

What Philosophical or metaphysical questions or answers do you have?

I will start when I was 5 years old I asked my father "why was I painted ryan" and for that question my dad had a little answer but I have not got a really good one from anyone.
I like our 5 year old selves. I wish I could protect them from the world. *nerves.

You have such a good memory.

My mother (foster mom) answered my questions precisely lovingly and truthfully!
 

MarvelFan

Vanity of Vanities
#4
I have one. Is Karma real? Even asking this sounds kind of religious @MarvelFan. Only lately do I have some energy to discuss things, ha, truth.
Karma I think so but I have one that many might disagree with me but I dont care. I have some small belief that our ancestors good or bad Karma still resonates inside us in our DNA and we can become them help/them in ourselves in the loving or fixing of their good or bad Karma while still trying to be ourselves.
 

Lane

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Karma I think so but I have one that many might disagree with me but I dont care. I have some small belief that our ancestors good or bad Karma still resonates inside us in our DNA and we can become them help/them in ourselves in the loving or fixing of their good or bad Karma while still trying to be ourselves.
I used to really believe that my ancestors, female ones were watching over me and giving me strength at @MarvelFan. Especially when I was struggling to raise 3 children under 5 years old.

I've seen karma work, the people who are truly mean ir vindictive, wind up alone. I'm thinking of a family member I loved very much. I cant help but think about what caused them to be like that.
 
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My view of Karma isn't so much "Punishment for past sins" as much as it is that we keep coming back (in some sense, not "me" necessarily) until we learn all the lessons we need to before we can progress to whatever comes next.

But I don't discount John Lennon, either..."Instant Karma gonna get you..." After all, if I step in it, it will probably stick.
 

A_J_R

Well-Known Member
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I think this fits here: Language

I don't understand how to communicate certain things. Like, we all understand the words "love," "hate" and "trauma" but those words carry so many different meanings for different people. How can we describe things that go beyond words?

I think about this a lot. I used to travel quite a bit (in Before Times) and noticed that although the places I went were all English speaking countries, words took on so many different meanings. It could be difficult to communicate. So, I started thinking about everyday words and how they are used and if they are ever received the way we have intended.

Just sort of a random thought I have.
 

Dante

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I have one. Is Karma real? Even asking this sounds kind of religious @MarvelFan. Only lately do I have some energy to discuss things, ha, truth.
[WARNING: Below is opinion, not an attempt to offend anyone]

Yes, Karma is real to a limited extent, though it is a generalisation based on healthy people (depressed, traumatised and etc dont fit the model well), and only works for small groups (society as a whole tends to be built to support the asshole elite so they are exempt from "Karma") here is my reasoning. (TLDR section at the end)

1) Social Enforcement:
If you know a person who is good to you and others and come to like that person you are more inclined to do good to them, and if you meet someone who does bad to others, then same deal. People tend to return what they receive, so if you are generally a dick, it will negatively impact how others treat you and close doors that may otherwise be open.
Example - Good: I can be a difficult person to get to know and my poor social skills have caused me trouble at work, but my boss has mentioned that he noticed me do just random nice things for others entirely unnecessarily and this encouraged him to go a little easy on me because he knew that any problems werent intentional
Example - Bad: My brother can be very selfish and self centred, growing up he was unbelievably so, because of this our little sister was always closer to me than him, meaning he became the odd-sibling-out, something he feels bad about nowadays, both me and my sister have similar tastes, have in-jokes, and a strong understanding of each other, whilst my brother doesnt have that with either of us. He regrets this, and it wouldnt have been the case if he hadnt been such a dick growing up.

2) Sociological Enforcement
Our default behaviour is actually pretty evident in our body language and methods of communication, if you are generally a prick, you are more likely to give off a prick "vibe", just as a nice person is more likely to give off a "good guy" vibe. People like to be near and help people they get a good vibe from, and avoid those they dont, in this way, being generally bad to others can show in your mannerisms and body language and negatively effect how others treat you.
Example - Good: I generally try to be good to others, I have a strong sense of guilt (way too strong) and am also aware of the ideas I am posting here, being good to others tends to come back to you, and so does being bad. (Im no pushover, but I will lean towards nice if I can), this has been reflected in my general attitude and though I can be difficult sometimes, this attitude has caused several clients to back me when they otherwise wouldn't, this actually saved my job a couple years ago, the clients just "liked" me, despite how awkward and weird I was, because they can tell I'm trying to help.
Example - Bad: My head-teacher back at school was a bit of an entitled bitch, she saw us only as statistics she had to raise and rebels she had to crush, she was duplicitous and stanf-offish and even when she was pretending to care, it showed through, because of this, everyone, even the teachers, didnt like her, people did the bare minimum when she asked them for something, they avoided her, and a group of kids even broke into the school over break to graffiti messages about her all over. By comparison, the previous head teacher was an absolute delight, p0eople worked their asses off for him, even a decade later his name is still mentioned fondly, and they named one of the school buildings after him when he retired. The two head teachers did the same job, asked the teachers to do the same tasks, and pushed the school to excel in the same way, but his mannerisms, his attitude, his general vibe was that much better.

3) Psychological Enforcement
If you are a prick to others, it is usually either because you have a very negative world view, or you feel entitled above other people, either way, if anyone crosses you or shows you less than the proper respect, this will be seen as a more severe "bad" event than if you werent just a grumpy entitled arse, and a person who is generally nicer to others tends to be more forgiving or optimistic, more humble, so any negative is cushioned by your own happy bubbly optimism. Your own personality effects your perception of good and bad and can make your life seem better or worse as a result.
Example - Good: By long-time soon-to-be sister-in-law is generally friendly and kind to everyone, always agreeable and tends to accept and go along with what everyone wants to do, because of this she tends to have all kinds of different experiences, generally accepts her failings and any bad events and simply enjoys like as she can, she just generally seems to be happy and content with her lot.
Example - Bad: I can be quite difficult, and it takes a lot of effort sometimes not to explode at people, if it werent for my overactive sense of guilt and my upbringing, I would probably be a dick to a lot of people, and I revel in passive aggressive displays of revenge on the road, (tailgating me huh? how about we drive half the speed limit for the next 10 miles) I tend to be a miserable sod as a result, life is horrible and dark and I have quite a temper I am always having to wrestle with, even when objectively, my life isnt actually all that bad, if I can finally get my own place I am set... on paper.

TLDR: Karma as a mystical force doesn't exist, but our attitudes, how our behaviours effect our mannerisms and attitudes and how our behaviours, mannerisms and attitudes effect how people treat us in return does (on small scales) emulate Karma and is probably where the idea comes from.

STILL too long: If you are a prick, people wont be nice to you and your life will suck, but if youre nice, people will be nice in return and you life will rule.
 
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Nothing personal intended here, just opinion, blowing off pressure, etc. That is to say, I disagree about a couple of points.

STILL too long: If you are a prick, people wont be nice to you and your life will suck, but if youre nice, people will be nice in return and you life will rule.

TLDR: Karma as a mystical force doesn't exist, but our attitudes, how our behaviours effect our mannerisms and attitudes and how our behaviours, mannerisms and attitudes effect how people treat us in return does (on small scales) emulate Karma and is probably where the idea comes from.

I believe more in karma than I do god. God sez "Someday the Big Payoff will come." Karma sez "What goes around comes around." If you are a total dick, you will be treated as such. If you are nice and do good, people will give you a break once in a while. Karma seems to me to be more an observer than an enforcer.

Not necessarily true, but, Just Because You Have One Doesn't Mean You Have To Be One (your choice of anatomy here). But, if you act like one, don't get all butt-hurt if you get treated like one.
 

Dante

Took 5 years to learn how to make a custom title.
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Nothing personal intended here, just opinion, blowing off pressure, etc. That is to say, I disagree about a couple of points.

STILL too long: If you are a prick, people wont be nice to you and your life will suck, but if youre nice, people will be nice in return and you life will rule.

TLDR: Karma as a mystical force doesn't exist, but our attitudes, how our behaviours effect our mannerisms and attitudes and how our behaviours, mannerisms and attitudes effect how people treat us in return does (on small scales) emulate Karma and is probably where the idea comes from.

I believe more in karma than I do god. God sez "Someday the Big Payoff will come." Karma sez "What goes around comes around." If you are a total dick, you will be treated as such. If you are nice and do good, people will give you a break once in a while. Karma seems to me to be more an observer than an enforcer.

Not necessarily true, but, Just Because You Have One Doesn't Mean You Have To Be One (your choice of anatomy here). But, if you act like one, don't get all butt-hurt if you get treated like one.
You said you disagree on a couple points, but I dont see anything that disagrees with what I said. my perception of Karma is that people are social animals and tend to reject those who are not good to be around (pricks, grumpy people etc) and if you are generally grumpy and entitled you will find it harder to be satisfied by your surroundings, what you said seems to just be a rephrasing...
 

johnDoen

Outsider in the Realm of Lost and Found
#11
I have one. Is Karma real? Even asking this sounds kind of religious @MarvelFan. Only lately do I have some energy to discuss things, ha, truth.
I think karma is pretty much a religious topic, since karma is also a system determined the outcome of reincarnation in religions like Hinduism and Buddhism.

Religious doctrines are pretty much philosophical thoughts being written and collected. For non-religious thoughts, for now, I think of Albert Camus (a French-Algerian philosopher), Stoicism (Roman school of thought), Diogenes (an Ancient Greek madlad), Karl Marx (father of socialism and so on) and Bertrand Russel (British thinker).
 

MarvelFan

Vanity of Vanities
#12
My Karma ran over over my dogma lol. There is a real science not about karma but of us as humans of our ancestors pain or joy.

Scientist have seen this in human DNA/Chromosomes not the exact timeline of the hyper active genomes aka genes that are part of a strand but sometimes there is hyper active nucleic acids that tell a story of joy or also a dark spot in the structure of the genomes of suffering in our own genomes from our ancestors in us.

These things that happen in our enviroment are recorded in us and passed down.

What a person finds might not be in perfect memory of things but if you are intune you might find or feel some of these things.

Chromosomes are threaded particles inside the nucleus of humans, animal and plant cells. They are made of protein and a single molecule of DNA. Passed from parents to offspring, DNA has the blueprint to that make living creatures have a map of life or sometimes in some perceptive animals especially perceptive humans to see things differently

I will try to give the more articles. It will take a little time. https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/basics/gene/
 
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Lane

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My Karma ran over over my dogma lol. There is a real science not about karma but of us as humans of our ancestors pain or joy.

Scientist have seen this in human DNA/Chromosomes not the exact timeline of the hyper active genomes aka genes that are part of a strand but sometimes there is hyper active nucleic acids that tell a story of joy or also a dark spot in the structure of the genomes of suffering in our own genomes from our ancestors in us.

These things that happen in our enviroment are recorded in us and passed down.

What a person finds might not be in perfect memory of things but if you are intune you might find or feel some of these things.

Chromosomes are threaded particles inside the nucleus of humans, animal and plant cells. They are made of protein and a single molecule of DNA. Passed from parents to offspring, DNA has the blueprint to that make living creatures have a map of life or sometimes in some perceptive animals especially perceptive humans to see things differently

I will try to give the more articles. It will take a little time. https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/basics/gene/
It's really interesting @MarvelFan . The image if cave paintings came into my head. I did follow the goddess religion and wiccan for a while and thank you for sharing this.
 

Lane

SF Supporter
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My Karma ran over over my dogma lol. There is a real science not about karma but of us as humans of our ancestors pain or joy.

Scientist have seen this in human DNA/Chromosomes not the exact timeline of the hyper active genomes aka genes that are part of a strand but sometimes there is hyper active nucleic acids that tell a story of joy or also a dark spot in the structure of the genomes of suffering in our own genomes from our ancestors in us.

These things that happen in our enviroment are recorded in us and passed down.

What a person finds might not be in perfect memory of things but if you are intune you might find or feel some of these things.

Chromosomes are threaded particles inside the nucleus of humans, animal and plant cells. They are made of protein and a single molecule of DNA. Passed from parents to offspring, DNA has the blueprint to that make living creatures have a map of life or sometimes in some perceptive animals especially perceptive humans to see things differently

I will try to give the more articles. It will take a little time. https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/basics/gene/
Lessons not to be learned, passed on in stories.
 
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