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  1. The_8th_Wonder

    The_8th_Wonder senior Member

    What does everybody here think of it? Should pornography be illegal? Is it immoral? Should child porn be legalized if the actors/actresses are fairly treated and paired a fair wage? If yes, what limits should be placed upon child porn?

    My personal views: Anybody who tries to make pornography illegal is making a huge mistake. Pornography stops rape from happening. I think the age for porn should be 16. Here in Colorado the legal age for sex is 16. People who are 16 can make the right decision regrading their own life. The pornography "job" they have should be treated as any other job for a 16 year old would be. Child porn at the age of 16 is virtually the same as 18... not to mention the pornography companies would make a lot more money.
  2. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    I think porn should be legal, but 18 seems a reasonable limit. There's much, much larger possibility for exploitation in porn and prostitution than sex with a lover, or any other job ever.
  3. reefer madness

    reefer madness Account Closed

    I like porn and I like young ladies, but I think 16 is a little too young to be starring in sex movies.
  4. Lovecraft

    Lovecraft Well-Known Member

    It's what the internet is for, no?
  5. shades

    shades Staff Alumni

    Pornography should be legal. But as far as the age goes, I leave that up to the so-called experts. However, since when does pornography stop rapists? If anything, it more than likely gets them all worked up so that they have to go out and get the real thing by force. I've never heard a rapist say "gee, if only I had a magazine or a dvd...I wouldn't have had to rape that poor girl".
  6. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    Shades, look at information in Japan relating to rape incidence and pornography illegality.

    In my opinion, it allows people to let off steam - you're not likely to rape someone if you just had an orgasm... Indeed, you probably -can't- rape someone if you just had an orgasm :)
  7. cult logic

    cult logic Staff Alumni

    Why the hell would someone want to make it illegal?

    The human body is a thing of beauty, not shame.
  8. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    Pornography generally has nothing to do with beauty. Erotica is concerned with beauty, pornography is not. Pornography is disgusting sex [sex in general is not disgusting, at least not the bad way] which encourages both misogyny and exploitation of women, and features some dudes making really, really disgusting noises.
  9. shades

    shades Staff Alumni

    TO AOEU: While I'm not quite ready to say "I stand corrected", I did read a few of the articles dealing with this issue and it is possible (although many variables still exist which make do not make it certain) that you are correct. I will try and read more of the related articles and while I am not yet certain I do thank you for bringing this to my attention.
  10. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    I'm not totally convinced myself, but there's at least reason to believe that pornography could discourage rape.
  11. fromthatshow

    fromthatshow Staff Alumni

    Porn should always be legal and 16 sounds like a fine age.
  12. wibble

    wibble Well-Known Member

    frankly, I think 16 is not fine. People at that age aren't mature enough to make decisions that are going to affect them for the rest of their lives.

    I also think anyone who argues the age limit should be dropped is suspect and warrants being watched. closely.
  13. sudut

    sudut Well-Known Member

    Not if it was my daughter.
  14. The_8th_Wonder

    The_8th_Wonder senior Member

  15. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    Legal drinking age is 21 in the US for a reason. Perhaps the legal age for porn should be raised to that as well... And porn is definitely at least as damaging as alcohol [and indeed often supports drug/alcohol addictions in the actresses] - it's prostitution!

    Terribly false analogy. Asking for the legal porn age to be lowered is asking to see younger girls fucked. 18 too old for you?

    Also, for fuck's sake, you said in your first post that lowering the damn porn age would make pornographers more money! What a terrific argument!
  16. The_8th_Wonder

    The_8th_Wonder senior Member

    And the drinking for virtually any other place in the world is 18 for a reason. Just because the US has it at 21 doesn't mean it's right. In fact it probably means it's wrong. The US is behind the rest of the world in a lot of social issues (I.E. death penalty).

    No, prostitution is illegal. Pornography is not.

    First of all it's not a false analogy. You're BSing yourself if you think the only reason Bush attacked Iraq was to set up a democracy. However if you want to debate that with you should make a new thread. Second the legal age for sex is 16. Pornography is a decision just like sex is a decision. Here's the difference between pornography and sex: a camera.

    You might not think it's a good but the industries that create pornography sure do. Why do you think pornography and abortion clinics were made in the first place? I'll give you a hint it's not to help people.
  17. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    You are a terrible person, and stupid.

    Yeah, so make child porn legal. Problem solved!

    Prostitution is sex for money. Porn is sex for money on camera.

    Sorry, Iraq? Do they have a child porn problem there? I'm not seeing the relevance.

    Not in Colorado, it's not.

    What the fuck.

    I've asked the thread to be closed - misogynist pedophiles get to me and this'll just become flames.
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  18. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    Lobster is a disgusting dish and onion rings are not. OK. I admit. That's just my opinion.

    People who oppose porn have been saying that for ages and it was never true until the people who make porn and watch porn actually started to believe porn was supposed to be misogynistic. Porn (even hardcore porn) was generally tame until the generation that grew up hearing that porn was misogynistic started buying and making it. To put it another way, I never saw porn where the guy was slapping and spitting on the woman's face until the last few years. If truly misogynistic porn was out there in the 80s and 90s, it must have been way under the radar because I never saw it.

    It's not porn that encourages misogyny. It's our society's warped views on sexuality. Stop telling women it's wrong for them to like sex as much as men do and maybe they'll stop believing it and thinking they must be doing something terrible and then associate that with all kinds of bad things. Stop telling them they should feel ashamed of themselves and their bodies and their sexual desires because when you tell women this, you tell men the same thing. You're telling men they should have a low opinion of a woman who isn't ashamed of her sexuality. You're making it happen.

    How is it that porn exploits women but a regular 9-5 job does not exploit the people who work the jobs? Or are you just saying it because that's what you hear?

    Clearly you've never heard a queef.

    By the way, I agree that most porn is dull, unimaginative and portrays sex in an ugly way. But it doesn't have to be that way. That's just what people are buying.
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  19. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    IMO, porn is no more immoral than most of what humankind does.

    No. Children legally can't have sex so they shouldn't be doing it on camera either.

    There's a disparity between the age of consent and the age a person can be in porn in many places. I think that just causes confusion. I think it should be 18 for everything. Where I live, people can have sex younger than 18 but they couldn't go to LA and make a porn movie. That's just dumb.
  20. The_8th_Wonder

    The_8th_Wonder senior Member

    Aeou, nobody is trying to turn this thread into flames except you. The personal attacks will not be tolerated by me so stop them, now. The difference between myself and you is that I respect your opinion but you don't respect mine. Calling me a pedophile is most humorous. I invite you to click my profile and check my age and I'll respond to your next personal attack after you've done so.

    Prostitution and porn are different. Prostitution has risks involved such as STDs and violence.
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