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titanic

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#81
it is art, and believe it or not, i trust him to this day. the pictures did get shown to others, the people in his class, and believe it or not and guess what noone called me a slut, i have even seen and talked with these people, and the pics werent brought up, and nothing was weird because they are art. you may think im a slut for doing it, but im not. and its not porn
also, part of being in a relationship is trust, and if you trust your partner and are comfortable with giving naked pictures there is no reason not to.

what about the old statues and paintings, should be taken out of the view of the public eye because they are your version of porn? what about kids naked in public, is it child porn because a kid strips off his diaper in the middle of a park?
Trust can be broken.

No, statues don't normally evoke sexual desires. Well, you wouldn't get very far with a statue! Quite unresponsive lol.
 

Lovecraft

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#82
If you trust him but wont do anything because he might break that trust you don't trust him.

It is necessarily true that trusting another human is a form of faith. (You should be familiar with that, ya?)
 

titanic

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#83
If you trust him but wont do anything because he might break that trust you don't trust him.

It is necessarily true that trusting another human is a form of faith. (You should be familiar with that, ya?)
But trust can be broken, its not based on scientific / empirical reasoning (you should be familiar).

Ahh so you do have faith after all. :cool:
 

Lovecraft

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#84
I have faith in my girlfriend. She's been trustworthy in that she hasn't broken promises and so I extend that into a trend - I feel I can trust her. I give faith where a trend of real worth exists.

You don't seem to be able to trust people if you're argument is 'He might break that trust'.
 

titanic

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#86
I have faith in my girlfriend. She's been trustworthy in that she hasn't broken promises and so I extend that into a trend - I feel I can trust her. I give faith where a trend of real worth exists.

You don't seem to be able to trust people if you're argument is 'He might break that trust'.
That's true for any person might break trust, but you just have to trust that they won't break your trust. Its still a gamble though.
 

titanic

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#88
Being taught to not have sex means you're far less likely to protect yourself when you inevitably have sex anyways.

In the south where the 'Abstinence only' flies more we have higher teen pregnancy rates.

http://www.theyoungvote.com/uploads/1/6/1/0/1610054/7371258.jpg

In the US where it flies more than any other developed country:

http://www.new3rs.info/img/BetterChart_Pregnancy11.08.jpg
Teaching my children about sex within the context of marriage (commited relationship) and about all the sexual diseases they could catch *will* count towards the fact that they will be MORE likely to use protection as they would then view casual relationships as 'more' risky.
 

titanic

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#89
So you admit it's bollocks for that girl to be against being in his art project for that reason then. Good.
No, I just merely pointed out that fact that he could have broken that trust, thats all. I don't know enough about her project to make that judgement as to whether its pornographic. For example, would she safely be able to show the images to a child, put them in the national newspaper, or are they too explicit?
 

titanic

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#90
My mother and father were married happily for more than 30 years and porn was never outside of that relationship.

You also skim over the majority of the points I ever give you.



Yes, you have to trust the people you have; this is new info?
Good for them! But porn performers were within that relationship.

Not skimming points, you just like picking holes in everthing anyway and are not able to listen to my views because you have your mind made up. And in any case you can't agree with me because you would then be a hypocrite.
 

titanic

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#91
Ummm surely birth rates are evidence of sexual activity!?!?!?!?
Yes, you are quite right. But why? They say its because birth control was frowned upon by religious people. Don't get me (a Christian) confused with a Catholic for a start, I do not oppose contraception.

Take Mississipi for example, as Lovecarft suggests...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32884806/ns/health-kids_and_parenting

"However, the results don't say anything about cause and effect, though study researcher Joseph Strayhorn of Drexel University College of Medicine and University of Pittsburgh offers a speculation of the most probable explanation: "We conjecture that religious communities in the U.S. are more successful in discouraging the use of contraception among their teenagers than they are in discouraging sexual intercourse itself."

The assumption is made!

It also claims there are... MORE abortions among teens in less religious states.
 

titanic

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#92
it is art, and believe it or not, i trust him to this day. the pictures did get shown to others, the people in his class, and believe it or not and guess what noone called me a slut, i have even seen and talked with these people, and the pics werent brought up, and nothing was weird because they are art. you may think im a slut for doing it, but im not. and its not porn
also, part of being in a relationship is trust, and if you trust your partner and are comfortable with giving naked pictures there is no reason not to.

what about the old statues and paintings, should be taken out of the view of the public eye because they are your version of porn? what about kids naked in public, is it child porn because a kid strips off his diaper in the middle of a park?
No, I don't say that you are a slut for doing it and I don't actually like that word anyway, only you are responsible for your own behaviour. I was pointing out though that could have happened in our society (where cruel words are spoken) like the young girl in the sexting thread.
 

titanic

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#93
Good proof; I'll buy that when you can show your moral axioms are objectively true.
EYES - General Porn Site.
www.stonetablets.org/eyes.htm

Eyes for Women - Porn is not just for men. A study showed that 31% of the visitors of Porn Websites are women.
www.stonetablets.org/eyesw.htm

Fantasy - General Porn Site that is part of The Cycle.
http://www.stonetablets.org/fantasy.htm

Chains - Sadomasochism Site. Sadly a very popular type site on the Internet. Chains is part of The Cycle.
www.stonetablets.org/chains.htm
 

Axiom

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#95
Hmm that's a good point.
Some do so because they enjoy showing off, and get a kick from other people viewing it. Others are sharing because it's a means to an end of making money while doing something they enjoy. Some enjoy watching themselves have sex, and dont mind posting it.

There are other negative reasons, but those are the positive ones that spring to mind, for the ones that are publically shared.

Showing off is defiantly an ego thing, which can go to some peoples head, but that's all about the individual concerned. It's basically someone showing their experience, be it sexual. Some people get a natural buzz when they publically present themselves in this way. This buzz severity is usually dictated by the inner social circles and the general views on sex and the human body that society presents. The more concealed and "precious"/hidden sex is in our everyday life, the more of a buzz someone will get when they present it. (in this one perticualar example)

Getting a sexual kick from people viewing you having sex is more again an ego thing, if not a minor fetish in itself. It can feel empowering to some individuals to have other peoples attention/eyes on them. Which could lead them to feeling wanted and desired by others which gives them another ego boost.

Those who do it for money are using something they enjoy doing, and using it to their advantage. These people have shed the social restraints and feel comfortable with their bodies and who they are. It doesn't matter to them if it is on camera or off.

Granted, this can be a prelude to abuse by others. But that's another aspect. Im just trying to talk about the "clean" part of porn where it's two+ people enjoying themselves and being themselves.
 

titanic

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#96
Titantic, just answer this question. You're running off on the bad issues of porn.

If two consenting adults want to have sex and want to video record it, what is wrong with that?

(don't think of the rape, drug addicts, diseased, stolen, ect ect ect issues, just look at it as a clean situation where two people want to have sex and want to share that with other people and possibly make some profit from the viewing)
Because sex should intimate between a loving couple in a commited relationship, not for display to the world. Not for sale. Not for purchase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg2yZmtDaH8

Compare these two scenarios. One is a peeping tom.

http://www.heavensfamily.org/ss/ggd/ggd_02
 

Axiom

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#97
Can you write it yourself or something? Ive read a few links before that you've posted but Im finding it takes quite sometime reading through other peoples points of view and written positions, when infact I want your position. I wouldn't be talking to you if I didnt. :)
 
#98
I have no interest in sex and consequently no interest in pornography. What little I have seen I found disgusting, ridiculous and at best laughable.

But, from a purely objective point of view, if someone wants to watch pornography and the people making it are willing and are of legal age then I don't see any real moral objection to it.
 

Lovecraft

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#99
Teaching my children about sex within the context of marriage (commited relationship) and about all the sexual diseases they could catch *will* count towards the fact that they will be MORE likely to use protection as they would then view casual relationships as 'more' risky.
Observed reality disagrees.

Good for them! But porn performers were within that relationship.
Eh... What? What those performers acted out was involved in their sexual interactions in some way, their emotional interactions are a separate affair.

Yes, you are quite right. But why? They say its because birth control was frowned upon by religious people. Don't get me (a Christian) confused with a Catholic for a start, I do not oppose contraception.
I always love how people try and separate themselves from the Catholics because they're 'Christians'.

Take Mississipi for example, as Lovecarft suggests...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32884806..._and_parenting
"However, the results don't say anything about cause and effect, though study researcher Joseph Strayhorn of Drexel University College of Medicine and University of Pittsburgh offers a speculation of the most probable explanation: "We conjecture that religious communities in the U.S. are more successful in discouraging the use of contraception among their teenagers than they are in discouraging sexual intercourse itself."

The assumption is made! [/QUOTE]

They found a consistent trend within the US and within the whole developed world - as religious fervour goes up so does the teen pregnancy rate. The US as a whole has much more religious people than the other parts of the developed world and a much higher birth rate amongst teenagers and the fact that most the developed world teaches all the various contraceptive methods to kids and makes them easily available is pretty damning evidence for the reason given.
It also claims there are... MORE abortions among teens in less religious states.
The Study YOU cited said:
But even after accounting for the abortions, the study team still found a state's level of religiosity could predict their teen birth rate. The higher the religiosity, the higher was the teen birth rate on average.
EYES - General Porn Site.
www.stonetablets.org/eyes.htm

Eyes for Women - Porn is not just for men. A study showed that 31% of the visitors of Porn Websites are women.
www.stonetablets.org/eyesw.htm

Fantasy - General Porn Site that is part of The Cycle.
http://www.stonetablets.org/fantasy.htm

Chains - Sadomasochism Site. Sadly a very popular type site on the Internet. Chains is part of The Cycle.
www.stonetablets.org/chains.htm
That doesn't prove anything at all; it's also more self-proclaimed 'evangelist' crap.

Ok, why do they want to record it?
Some people get off on that.

Because sex should intimate between a loving couple in a commited relationship, not for display to the world. Not for sale. Not for purchase.
Why do you think your judgment on the matter is worth more than mine or Blake's?

I have no interest in sex and consequently no interest in pornography. What little I have seen I found disgusting, ridiculous and at best laughable.
True asexuality is rare - do you really have *no* desires whatsoever? I'm in a population group with much higher occurrences of it (Schizoid Personality Disorder) so I find it interesting.
 

feathers

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Didn't expect this many replies :O

My personal experience is that porn ruined the longest relationship I ever had. It also destroyed my self esteem, which is already pretty unstable, so I hate porn. I wish I could live in a world where any partner I have hasn't ever watched it, but obviously that isn't ever going to happen. It's just a personal thing that I don't like porn because I personally feel threatened by it and don't feel good enough. But I guess that is an ego thing.
 
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