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Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by Petal, Dec 6, 2008.

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  1. Petal

    Petal SF dreamer Staff Member Safety & Support SF Supporter

    As a victim of rape I'm sick to death of seeing rapists 'getting out of' going to jail. Either because they are 'family men(married)' have kids or know someone in authority. It's ridiculous.There was one specific case here in Ireland last year when a man broke into a woman's home in the early hours,assaulted and raped her and because he knew the judge he was given 4 years probation. Disgrace. After weeks of the country going crazy over this 'punishment' they eventually had to sentence him. He was sentenced to two years in prison??

    What is your opinion.. Why are there so many rapists free, walking the streets?
    What do you think is the appropriate punishment for rape?
  2. jameslyons

    jameslyons Well-Known Member

    As a person intimately familiar with molestation and abuse as well as knowing people peripherally involved in their own struggles, I can empathize with the absolute frustration and fear that the lax court system can produce. Sadly a lot of cases haven't enough evidence. Other times, at least in America where everything is illegal, the jails are too full for "non-violent offenders."

    I think sexual abuse is frighteningly common. I suspect people are more callus to it than when they put on face for the victim and family.

    It's annoying.

    Not to be flippant, but it's really annoying since places like America and Ireland have started pushing down on pub drinkers and smokers.
  3. bhawk

    bhawk Well-Known Member

    i totally agree with both of you, it is frustrating but unfortunately cos its a very hush hush subject (people will know what i mean how people tend to keep it secret even among families and communities) it will never get the media attention needed to force it into peoples heads and people face up to what is actually frighteningly common.
    i know-unfortunately- that there is little chance these people who destroy lives can be hung so i do think they should have chemical castration and prison, by depleting their testosterone it destroys their sex drive which is what they cannot control (purely generalisation as i know there are many other factors)
  4. Shogun

    Shogun Well-Known Member

    Well I'm a conservative, so I think they should be given life.... or even the death penalty.

    Their victims lives can be over by the act alone due to the trauma, pain and suffering of it, why shouldn't theirs be over by death of life sentence?

    That's my view and I'm sticking by it.
  5. ACRon

    ACRon Well-Known Member

    there's so many walking the streets because not everyone votes conservative.

    punishment for crime should probably involve becoming a conservative.
  6. jameslyons

    jameslyons Well-Known Member

    I can't agree with extreme punishment for rapists even if I was molested as a kid. There's a court system that has to work impartially for a reason. No blood vengeance. But just because I don't believe in castration or death or life imprisonment doesn't mean I think somebody should get 2 years and only serve five months.

    I think they should be in jail for a long time and also be responsible for paying therapy bills. It's difficult to quantify how much punishment one deserves after destroying another's persons ability to trust and feel safe in the world. That's what I really hate about sexual predators.
  7. fromthatshow

    fromthatshow Staff Alumni SF Supporter

    I think we should be looking not for greater punishment but further prevention. Case studies. Looking into what kind of backgrounds rapists' had as kids. Making sure that appropriate things are being done so we don't have a society full of rapists.
  8. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    I don't know. I guess it must be a little different depending on what country you live in. Here in the US, I'm not aware of massive numbers of rapists going either unpunished or barely punished. I'm sure it happens but it seems rare enough to me. It seems here, they want to go in the opposite direction and give them some unbelievably harsh sentence. Don't get me wrong. I do think rape is a serious crime but some people think it deserves a life sentence or the death penalty or whatever. That's just as ridiculous as a sentence of two years probation.

    People seem to go to ridiculous extremes depending on where you live. It seems like a binary thing. It's either this or that. There's very little rationality, balance or reasonable discussion of these things on the whole.
  9. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    The death penalty for what amounts to an assault doesn't sound very conservative to me.
  10. Remedy

    Remedy Chat & Forum Buddy

    Rapists should have their manhood cut off so they can't re-offend.
  11. Aaron

    Aaron Well-Known Member

    :laugh:...a bit drastic, I think castration should be considered for serial rapists.
  12. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Because a penis is the only thing that can be used for sexual assault.
    And your proposal for the many women who molest their children?
  13. Remedy

    Remedy Chat & Forum Buddy

    It's better than just a few months in prison, for all the damage it does.
    Only stating a opinion.
  14. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Or the sexual trauma would make them worse and rape more people, but y'know, who cares if something works right?
  15. Remedy

    Remedy Chat & Forum Buddy

    Whatever's being done about it now clearly isn't working.
  16. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    Funny... Sexual Criminals actually have one of the lowest recidivism rates for all kinds of crime.
  17. pit

    pit Well-Known Member

    Not true. Rapists use other things, like bottles, bottle rockets, and tree branches.
  18. Issaccs

    Issaccs Well-Known Member

    That was the point I was getting at, I suppose its difficult to convey sarcasm over the internet.
  19. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    bloody impossibe, in fact :laugh:
  20. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    Quite honestly, I think the fact that the perpetrators of most of these crimes are almost always male should be a sign that something is fundamentally wrong with the way the human race (as a whole) is conducting itself. I don't believe males are natural rapists and I don't believe rape happens because of porn or any of the other scapegoats people usually blame it on. I think it's more basic than that. There is something really wrong with the way we're being raised (or something). Isn't it obvious?

    You could lop the head off of every rapist from now on and a certain number of rapes would continue to happen. Punishment doesn't stop crime. It merely satiates the desire of the public for some form of tangible retribution.

    This isn't to say two months of probation is an appropriate sentence for such a crime. Merely that as long as we're taking such a myopic view of the fundamental problem, it's probably not doing anything but punishing the guilty anyway. Which I guess gives the victims some small amount of comfort but allows the rest of society to pretend there isn't even a problem when obviously, there is. Somewhere.
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