Religion

[Secret wounds]

I believe that part of the reason i hate my life so much and want to die is because of my religion, im a muslim and i should'nt say this (im sorry if i offend anyone thats not my intention) but i hate my religion alot of the time, i feel like alot the pain and problems i have are caused by my religion. All my life my religion has restricted the things i can do in my life, i cant seem to get away from it, i live with my parents and they are quite strict which means they dont let me do anything i would love to move out but i dont really have the money, apparently a muslim girl should'nt move out they should only move the once when she gets married im stuck here, i feel so trapped i dont want to leave my parents i cant dissapoint them but my life is killing me, im starting to hate my family all i want is a normal life i want friends that i dont have to lie to.
I have to lie to people because i dont want no one to get to close to me incase they find out how much i hate life i dont know what to do i hate myself for these feelings. i cant get away from all of this i feel ashamed of my life my existence i wish this so called f**kin god would take me away.
I just want to be normal i cant cope with this mess, the only thing i pray to god for is death.

 

[RCC]

Secret wounds, if you would like to talk about transmogrifying your religious beliefs you can PM me.

 

[letdown]

How old are you Secret Wounds?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Secret wounds:

I am new to this forum, but I want you to know that I already care about you. I believe you could be right when you say that your religion may be causing you this pain. That does not mean, though, that God is causing this. Please pm me if you would like to talk more.

Lots of love,

Tina:biggrin:

 

[make_me_bad]

Hey, you definitely don't need to listen to any of these clowns that'll try to push Christianity on you. Christians like to prey on you when you're at your weakest and drag you in with with their "unconditional" love nonsense.

It's completely bewildering to me that in the 21st century there are still people ignorant enough to believe in God. You're right to hate your religion, not because it's better or worse than any others but because it's the same: a collection of fairy tales designed to brainwash you and keep you under control.

If you want to be truly enlightened and have a chance at happiness, drop your religion as soon as possible (marry someone with a brain), and definitely don't pick another up.

I'd just like to point out how obnoxious it is that two of the three preceding responses to your thread have been Christian recruiters pouncing on what they see as an oppurtunity. I think it's sickening that the first thing you jackasses do when you see someone suffering is consider how you can assimilate them instead of offering an unconditial ear. You people seriously disgust me.

 

[JFonseka]

If you want, we can talk. I am Christian, but I have lived in the middle east for 10 years, so I have an understanding of these issues you are talking about

 

[JFonseka]

Hey, you definitely don't need to listen to any of these clowns that'll try to push Christianity on you. Christians like to prey on you when you're at your weakest and drag you in with with their "unconditional" love nonsense.

It's completely bewildering to me that in the 21st century there are still people ignorant enough to believe in God. You're right to hate your religion, not because it's better or worse than any others but because it's the same: a collection of fairy tales designed to brainwash you and keep you under control.

If you want to be truly enlightened and have a chance at happiness, drop your religion as soon as possible (marry someone with a brain), and definitely don't pick another up.

I'd just like to point out how obnoxious it is that two of the three preceding responses to your thread have been Christian recruiters pouncing on what they see as an oppurtunity. I think it's sickening that the first thing you jackasses do when you see someone suffering is consider how you can assimilate them instead of offering an unconditial ear. You people seriously disgust me.

Hmm I think it's quite interesting you talking about the vileness of Christians or other religions it's reflecting your personality. Have you noticed anyone else besides you insulting others in this thread ? Control yourself and don't generalize.

 

[Blackness]

This is the sole reason why I'm not religious:

quite strict

All my life my religion has restricted the things i can do in my life

apparently a muslim girl should'nt......

I'm not religious because it's so restricting, fake and a lot more.

I choose not to be, but I guess for you, you have to be because of your parents...You really should tell them your thoughts, thought they'd probably freak out and go off....

It's unfair.

 

[make_me_bad]

Hmm I think it's quite interesting you talking about the vileness of Christians or other religions it's reflecting your personality. Have you noticed anyone else besides you insulting others in this thread ? Control yourself and don't generalize.

First of all, you should learn to form coherent sentences. Second, I actually didn't personally attack anyone at all, but yes, I have noticed someone else insulting people in this thread. He seems to think he's got a grasp on my personality because I don't believe in his God. Talk about generalizations. What's next, everyone who doesn't live a certain way is going to hell? Oh, wait. Jackass.

 

[Esmeralda]

First of all, you should learn to form coherent sentences. Second, I actually didn't personally attack anyone at all, but yes, I have noticed someone else insulting people in this thread. He seems to think he's got a grasp on my personality because I don't believe in his God. Talk about generalizations. What's next, everyone who doesn't live a certain way is going to hell? Oh, wait. Jackass.

Once again a generalization. Not all religious people or Christians believe in Hell (the eternal place where we are deprived of God's presence and tortured for eternity). I don't.

And you DID personally attack the people who posted above you. You called them (paraphrase) "ignorant clowns". Um...how is that not an attack?

Now maybe the attempts at conversion were a bit heavy handed, but they merely offered to to tell this person about their beliefs via PM, which I don't think is out of line. If Secret Wounds wants to PM them, she will, and if not, she won't.

 

[JFonseka]

First of all, you should learn to form coherent sentences. Second, I actually didn't personally attack anyone at all, but yes, I have noticed someone else insulting people in this thread. He seems to think he's got a grasp on my personality because I don't believe in his God. Talk about generalizations. What's next, everyone who doesn't live a certain way is going to hell? Oh, wait. Jackass.

You didn't personally attack anyone but you managed to generalize all Christians in one of your paragraphs. I'm not talking about your personality because you are an atheist, I am doing it because you are lashing out at people in a suicide forum, one where people come for help, we don't need to hear your angry crap, others here maybe angry too with their own lives but they don't resort to starting fights on forums, this isn't primary school.

And then secondly you called me a jackass while trying to maintain your credibility with this colourful language? I think a mod needs to have talk with you.

 

[Erebos]

Hey, you definitely don't need to listen to any of these clowns that'll try to push Christianity on you. Christians like to prey on you when you're at your weakest and drag you in with with their "unconditional" love nonsense.

It's completely bewildering to me that in the 21st century there are still people ignorant enough to believe in God. You're right to hate your religion, not because it's better or worse than any others but because it's the same: a collection of fairy tales designed to brainwash you and keep you under control.

If you want to be truly enlightened and have a chance at happiness, drop your religion as soon as possible (marry someone with a brain), and definitely don't pick another up.

I'd just like to point out how obnoxious it is that two of the three preceding responses to your thread have been Christian recruiters pouncing on what they see as an oppurtunity. I think it's sickening that the first thing you jackasses do when you see someone suffering is consider how you can assimilate them instead of offering an unconditial ear. You people seriously disgust me.

Your main idea is a valid one, but it can certainly be presented in a less offensive way.

Disregarding the less professional remarks, the core argument seems correct. There is no greater opportunity to convert someone than their times of weakness, mental plasticity, and vulnerability. Namely, the first situation that comes to mind is during childhood, whereby defenseless, nearly insentient children have no choice but to accept their parents' indoctrination. The second is during times of mental and physical illness, where the pained and confused patients desperately seek a cure, one that religion readily offers, making for an easy convert.

Secret Wounds, is there no way to find a compromise between your religion and your life aspirations? In what specific aspect are you feeling trapped?

 

[JFonseka]

Once again a generalization. Not all religious people or Christians believe in Hell (the eternal place where we are deprived of God's presence and tortured for eternity). I don't.

And you DID personally attack the people who posted above you. You called them (paraphrase) "ignorant clowns". Um...how is that not an attack?

Now maybe the attempts at conversion were a bit heavy handed, but they merely offered to to tell this person about their beliefs via PM, which I don't think is out of line. If Secret Wounds wants to PM them, she will, and if not, she won't.

Hehe I saw your signature, it's quite interesting actually, I thought about it before, but in Christianity it's generally accepted that Satan fell from grace after he rebelled God even after encountering God in heaven, so for that reason God's mercy does not extend to Satan because he clearly knew God but he still chose to rebel.

Brings up an interesting debate, but anyways, back to the main point of this thread, for secret wounds.

 

[Esmeralda]

Absolutely! I'm not sure that Satan can be forgiven, knowing the true nature of God and rebelling nonetheless...but I do believe that Christian charity requires us to hope for his forgiveness regardless of whether or not that forgiveness is actually possible. Like you said, interesting debate

 

[RunningAway]

First of all, you should learn to form coherent sentences. Second, I actually didn't personally attack anyone at all, but yes, I have noticed someone else insulting people in this thread. He seems to think he's got a grasp on my personality because I don't believe in his God. Talk about generalizations. What's next, everyone who doesn't live a certain way is going to hell? Oh, wait. Jackass.

Please do not insult people. It is not necessary

 

[make_me_bad]

Too many of you have repeated each other in telling me what a meanie I am, so I'll just address a few of the main points I read rather than responding to one specific person.

Most of you seem to think that anything I say about Christians is meant for anyone who believes in God, which is not the case. One side of my family, my fiance, and my fiance's family all believe in God and I think that's just fine.

I'm talking about real Christians, the fanatics who strictly adhere to the ten commandments, listen to Bob Carlisle, use parental controls on their family TVs, bought a lifetime supply of ramen noodles in 1999 and go on the Internet to push their conformity on innocent people.

You telling me that I'm generalizing by saying these people believe atheists are going to hell would be like me telling you that you're generalizating by saying that mean people say mean things.

And yes, I did have to insult Jofen or whatever his name was. He came on here talking down to me in defense of his religion and tried to mask it by saying he was just offended by my tone. Don't lie. You're insecure about your precious beliefs that your life revolves around so you feel the need to justify them by trying to strike down anyone who questions them. Pathetic.

At least I don't tell people they have to think the same way as me or else be damned to an eternity of suffering.

 

[Panther]

That's not an easy situation there, if it was easy for you to give up your religion then you probably would .. if you can't give it up for now, then maybe at least try and practice some of the good things about Islam .. all religions have their good bits. Not sure what else to suggest really. :hug:

 

[mike308]

What happened to the poor muslim women that what's to be free???
The apostle Paul CLEARLY STATES IN ONE OF HIS LETTERS...
That all men and women are EQUAL in the eyes of our CHRISTIAN GOD. Don't tell me you are blind to that, given our western culture..
Unfortantaly there are always people that want to twist the words of the bible in many ways..
But, the women that started this thread is being denied her human rights as a Muslim.. not as a Christian or a Jew. I don't what country she is from.. if it's a western country. I would say just leave the house...
Steal money if you must, but find a safe house that you can go to and start a new life.
Be carefull.
GOD BLESS

 

[mike308]

By the way "MAKE ME BAD"
You can believe what ever you want..
AFTERALL,
You will never know weather you are right or wrong until the day you die and then you can't tell the rest of us what happened, one way or the other.
We believe in "FAITH"... Stupid I know, but what have we got to lose:biggrin:

 

[JFonseka]

Too many of you have repeated each other in telling me what a meanie I am, so I'll just address a few of the main points I read rather than responding to one specific person.

Most of you seem to think that anything I say about Christians is meant for anyone who believes in God, which is not the case. One side of my family, my fiance, and my fiance's family all believe in God and I think that's just fine.

I'm talking about real Christians, the fanatics who strictly adhere to the ten commandments, listen to Bob Carlisle, use parental controls on their family TVs, bought a lifetime supply of ramen noodles in 1999 and go on the Internet to push their conformity on innocent people.

You telling me that I'm generalizing by saying these people believe atheists are going to hell would be like me telling you that you're generalizating by saying that mean people say mean things.

And yes, I did have to insult Jofen or whatever his name was. He came on here talking down to me in defense of his religion and tried to mask it by saying he was just offended by my tone. Don't lie. You're insecure about your precious beliefs that your life revolves around so you feel the need to justify them by trying to strike down anyone who questions them. Pathetic.

At least I don't tell people they have to think the same way as me or else be damned to an eternity of suffering.

Please...just reading even this post one can see you are just attacking others because you got soem problems. There was someone else here who said religion was fake and they didn't believe in it, that's fine, they can believe what they want to without being offensive, you just crossed the line. Now be quiet, stop bringing this up over and over again, if you hate religion this much go bring up a public demonstration.

And please...'real christians' :dry::rolleyes: