Roaul Moat

Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by Hache, Jul 8, 2010.

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  1. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    Surprised there isnt a thread on this.

    Went to jail for beating his daughter, while he's banged up his girlfriend starts seeing another man, out of fear she tells Moat he is a policeman, hoping it will put him off hurting him. Moat gets out of prison, gets himself a shot gun, hangs around outside his ex gf's house, listens to his ex, her mother and her new bf slagging him off for 2 hours through the window. Stands up, shoots his ex gf through the window! The new bf comes out with a lead pipe, Moat shoots him dead.

    Come the morning he rings the police and makes threats, but they could not keep him on the phone long enough to track it. Moat then shoots a policeman sitting in his car 3 times. Rings the police back up saying "now do you take me seriously." Goes on the run.

    The next night he raids a chip shop.

    Next day his car is found in the village of Rothbury, 2 people are arrested. Dozens and dozens of armoured police turn up. Big megaphone announcements across rothbury telling the public to stay in doors. They cut the village off and begin a search.

    The police find a 50+ page letter/rant in Moats car, he says he feels like the Hulk, bare in mind this man is addicted to steriods! Says he needs his medication. That he will kill as many policeman as he can before he dies because they took his children (social services took them after he went to jail for beating one of them) and they took his girlfriend (which isn't true, his ex lied and he's taking it out on the police).

    Next day the find his tent in the corner of a field.

    Another letter stating his intent to kill police.

    The police raid a farm house where Moat broke into and slept in the spare bed! The family are now too afraid to go back.

    Moat has made threats to the "wider public" as the police have put it, in other words anyone gets in his way may fall victim.

    Still not found, 6 days since he killed a man. On the run in the woods. Armoured vehicles have arrived from Northern Ireland to protect the police, dozens of snipers brought in from London.
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  2. sinnssykdom

    sinnssykdom Banned Member

    wow scary stuff.
  3. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    They've found him, the past 4 hours he has been surrounded by armed police and has been talking to the negotiator.

    He's currently pointing the gun at his head.
  4. Prinnctopher's Belt

    Prinnctopher's Belt Antiquities Friend SF Supporter

    Where is this happening? I don't watch cable news so... ?
  5. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    North East England.

    It's 1am, pouring down with rain. Still nothing happening.

    It all calls for something bigger to happen with gun crime, harsher laws and more attempts to clean the streets. Gun crime is actually falling statistically I read, but guns are becoming to available. Farmers have shot guns, but then since the collapse of the IRA a lot of guns the terrorists got from the US have come over here bought by criminal gangs, the fall of the soviet union has seen criminals swapping drugs for soviet guns.

    Got to keep them out, places like London and Nottingham's poorer communities have an increasing problem.

    The government wont do anything though, they will take Roaul Moat and Derek Bird and say it isn't a gun crime problem it's people who are mentally insane.
  6. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    Statistacally it isn't a problem, its only a few cases being over hyped by the media. What will harsher laws do? If someone wants a gun, they will get one, legal or not.
  7. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    I'm not talking about stopping future psycho's i'm talking about using this situation and it's hype to spark a reaction in order to reduce gun crime and guns on the black market, it's quite clear that our cities are gaining this new problem. Gun crime might have fallen on last year but it has more than doubled on 10 years ago with the end of violence in Northern Ireland. There is no way in hell you can statistically it is not a problem, all you can say is current methods have reduced it from the boom, slowly, that doesn't mean enough. Nothing will be done for financial reasons and proportionate representation rather than aiming to shore up gun crime.

    Anyway Roaul Moat has been shot, he's in hospital now.
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  8. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    He dead yet?
  9. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    New problem? Listen, there is no way in hell they can reduce the black market in anything so all this is pointless.

    Its the same as saying oh were gonna goto afghanistan to destroy the poppy fields and stop the heroin trade, it aint gonna happen
  10. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    Right so it's impossible to reduce any crime so what is the point in policing anything.
  11. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    Gun crime is actually very very minimal and is not rising. Knife crime is the one that kills more people so why not focus on that instead of sensationalising somwthing that is on the decrease?
  12. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    Where did I say dont do anything about knife crime, knife crime is much harder to control and the policing methods are completely different to gun crime.

    It's simple, you investigate, raid and arrest and you reduce crime, that is how it works.

    Take weston-super-mare as an example. They arrested 24 drug dealers and jailed them, crime in the town has fallen 22% as a result!!!!!

    You catch the criminals to reduce crime.

    You have to spend money to catch them first, the police force are having to take massive cuts.
  13. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    Here's something

    Crime in London
    Although the total number of crimes fell overall in London - 832,439 crimes were recorded in 2009, a 2.3% fall since 2008 - gun crime rose by 48%. Rape and homophobic crime also rose by a quarter.

    They have to clamp down heavy now before it gets way out of control because it is already spreading across England.
  14. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    Crime has reduced as a result? Please. For every 24 dealers they arrest 48 are ready to take their place. The only reason crime has gone down is because people are now going to bristol to score, as soon as the dealers set up shop again they will be back.

    To reduce crime you need a deterrent that is effective, until that happens, no amount of police is going to work
  15. Prinnctopher's Belt

    Prinnctopher's Belt Antiquities Friend SF Supporter

    As long as there is poverty and greater stratification between the socioeconomic classes... Taking guns, knives, bats, whatever away from people, it's not going to help. Because the real problem is the mindset that causes the violence in the first place, and it's not simply the presence of a weapon.
  16. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    Agreed, what the police need to do is educate young kids in the end result of what a gun or knife does. Maybe they wont be so quick to use one then.
  17. Hache

    Hache Well-Known Member

    You're going far too deep now.
    Poverty and education reduces crime but that has nothing to do with the police, that is parents, schools and governments.

    We're talking about reducing crime as it is and lets not get strung up on eradicating it.

    It is a fact that crime can be reduced by tackling it in certain ways, by eliminating the source or policing in a way that puts a strain on it. The drugs trade accounts for around 1/5 of other crimes, not buying and selling but the reprecutions of that. The figures from Weston super mare are not about scoring, they are a 22% fall in theft and burglaries, a percentage of that will be down to the fall in drugs trade in that area.

    It's a fact that crime can be reduced and communities can improve because it happens all over the country.

    I'm wasting my time if I'm talking to people who really dont believe police can or have been tackling crime significantly in certain areas.
  18. Kaos General

    Kaos General Well-Known Member

    Ok so its gone down 22% in one area because the police locked up all the dealers. But i guarantee that crime has gone up 22% somewhere else. Thats not policing, thats shifting the problem elsewhere.

    Police are the best equipped at teaching kids about the repurcussions of their actions
  19. Prinnctopher's Belt

    Prinnctopher's Belt Antiquities Friend SF Supporter

    Crime always fluctuates, it goes up, it goes down. And it is strongly attributed and linked to poverty and education. People with less education are more likely to be in poverty, and are more likely to be in contact with criminals and desperate and insecure people on a daily basis -- far higher likelihood of committing crime and pretty much all the studies I've seen show this theory to have the most merit.

    Policing is an important element, but there are high crime areas with police patrolling the area all the time, and it still occurs. Policing is just a way to help contain the crime; if you really want to prevent it from happening in the first place, you have to attack the source -- among which is poverty.
  20. Prinnctopher's Belt

    Prinnctopher's Belt Antiquities Friend SF Supporter

    Another thing, people are losing jobs across the board, so the desperation and tensions have deepened. Idle hands...

    What do you suggest, good sir? A police state, anyone?
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