Robin Williams

Discussion in 'Suicidal Thoughts and Feelings' started by LoganMorgan, Aug 14, 2014.

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  1. LoganMorgan

    LoganMorgan Member

    The unique, surprising and wonderful actor/comedian/human being, Robin Williams apparently took his own life yesterday via asphyxiation.

    Immediately people in the media began doing what they always do, calling the person who committed suicide: sad, depressed, drug addicted, manic-depressive, and certainly with some kind of mental illness to which we must now all pay more attention in our society.

    It is not “normal” for a person to commit suicide, but it can be rational. Normal would be to follow our genetic Darwinian programming to always fight to extend our lives no matter what. We (human beings) have come to where we are today through millions of years of evolution and the long difficult process of natural selection. The trait to fight for life, no matter what, is one that was necessary for any gene pool to survive and progress. Those that would give up, or jump off a cliff self-selected out until today we see people living in conditions throughout the world, and in their personal lives who do so out of sheer instinct (genetic programming).

    To automatically say that a person is mentally ill when they look at the world, and at their life, and conclude that they have had enough is wrong. They may be mentally ill, or they may just be looking rationally at their lives and then making a rational decision to stop. Because the programming of most people will not let them see this, and that it in fact scares them, they try to explain it away.

    Maybe we could just say he was a great man who decided he had done enough.

    We will all miss him.
  2. Unknown_111

    Unknown_111 Forum Buddy Staff Alumni SF Supporter

    I'm in total agreement with the above post. People instantly label you especially the media. Robin Williams was a great actor and he will be remembered for a long time.
  3. LoganMorgan

    LoganMorgan Member

    Thanks for your reply. It really hurt me when I heard he killed himself. I had a really bad night last night.
  4. LoganMorgan

    LoganMorgan Member


    #RIPRobinWilliams #NanuNanu #BangARang #YouWereLoved #YouWereGreat #WishYouKnewHowMuch #YouWillBeMissed

    Some people are being judgmental & rude in the unfortunate passing of the great Robin Williams and it's really upsetting how people can try to make themselves seem superior even in his and his family's pain.

    Sometimes we take, take, and take and forget to refill, replace &/or replenish.. If there was a well full of water, and you were thirsty, you would most likely drink from this well everyday until the well ran dry. I mean what's the point in having access to all this water if we can't enjoy it right? No harm no foul... Or so we think. People do this with people too. I personally understand that sensation of being drained & pulled in every direction & left dry... I know many people who deal with that daily & I know of people who take selfishly daily too. To feel more lonely in a room full of people than when you're by yourself, no one understands this? Ever consider that maybe this man knew how to make us all laugh and feel good so well through his talent because he himself knew ALL TOO WELL what feeling sad and lonely was like? Some people are saying he was a weak man for taking the easy way out... REALLY?? I actually think he was a VERY strong person to still do what he did everyday to entertain US through all of his pain and sorrow! I don't know about you all but I get pretty drained when I'm forced to smile and be pleasant to people when all I want to do is cry and be left alone.

    Robin Williams gave and gave and gave and when you're the life of the party, the one with that great warm & inviting smile and everyone expects for you to be the entertainment, who entertains him? Who replenishes his spirit and energy? Although many of us feel a certain way in regards to suicide and feel it's a very selfish act, whether it is or not, many people who do commit suicide are plagued with a very sad and harsh mental illness they can't control. Fame, money, & fans don't equal complete bliss, peace & happiness. Don't be so quick to say he had it all.

    Robin Williams made several statements and was quoted for years and if you read or listened to what he was consistent with, this poor man was sick for a long time and was honest about his depression and loneliness. Maybe his cries for help? We don't really know. Maybe he was as funny and genius in his talent and gave his all to his craft and us because that was when he felt loved and appreciated the most or not alone. I don't condone suicide or any life being taken in any form, but I think we all can understand in some capacity, wether small or big, the feeling of being alone or feeling like no one understands. Instead of condemning this man, let's remember his legacy, his legend, his genius, his talent, his contribution to making you laugh and smile when you were down and out & allow his family to grieve without your harsh comments and judgements. You never know what people are going through & people don't always know what you're going through. Be there for your loved ones & let them be there for you... Reciprocate & have gratitude for great people in your life.

    In the word of #SmokeyRobinson

    ♪♫ People say I'm the life of the party
    'Cause I tell a joke or two
    Although I might be laughing loud and hearty
    Deep inside I'm blue

    So take a good look at my face
    You'll see my smile looks out of place
    If you look closer, it's easy to trace
    The tracks of my tears.... ♪♫

    Original artwork & credit: @EmilyStepp
  5. LoganMorgan

    LoganMorgan Member

    On the Suicide of a Gifted Artist Aug
    by Steven Clark
    Robin Williams killed himself.

    I have resisted writing about Robin Williams’ suicide.

    But what I have heard from so many has spurred me to say these few words.

    Robin Williams’ suicide reminds us of how fragile we are. While it is tragic that such a gifted man took himself away from us, he has left us this gift, if we will but accept it.

    I have heard the many opinions about how suicide is a choice and how it was drug abuse and blah, blah, blah. People are angry at Robin for what he did. That is a normal part of grief, and if expressed healthily it can be a good thing. What is NOT healthy is to question Robin’s motivations: we can’t know that. What is also NOT healthy is to blame: choices, drugs, lifestyle, mental health. We also cannot know that. We don’t know what level of physical, emotional, spiritual pain he lived with. We don’t get to judge that. It is not our place. Some can point out rightly that Robin’s suicide is a symptom of a larger social problem, but a symptom of what? Sensitive souls feel things that most of us deny. What deadly substance in the fabric of our society did Robin die as a canary to tell us?

    Behind the anger and the blaming is fear. Robin made us aware that the facade we live day-to-day is fragile, that our illusions of being OK are fragile. Robin’s tragic last act has pierced the illusion. Rather than face our fear, we use our anger to push it down, blaming one thing or another. We are afraid to feel empathy, for empathy would require us to acknowledge and own our own disordered thoughts.

    WE ARE INSANE, by some definition or another. Our insanity will lead to some sort of death. We can only recover our health by admitting both our individual and corporate insanity. Robin has very rudely thrust that in our face. We can begin to look at our individual and corporate insanity and begin to heal; or we can push it back down under our denial and continue to race towards our own group suicide — or we can take this moment to stop, look, feel, put down our digital devices and connect with each other.

    One of my favourite quotes from Robin is, “I used to think the worst thing was to end up all alone. It’s not. The worst thing is to end up with people who make you feel all alone.” We move about in a world where that is the norm. Please people, let us be human with each other. Let’s use our many gadgets to make life easier, not to replace life with an illusion. Let us embrace our own fragility, and the fragility of our neighbours, parents, children — even our enemies. Let us share the discomfort of that fragility together.

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  6. Hurted

    Hurted Well-Known Member

    Well, all researches and statistics show that majority of people that commit suicide in fact do suffer from mental ilnesses, in most cases from depression. And as relatives confirmed, robin had a long battle with depression.
    Anyway, it's really sad though, just few days ago i was watching dead poets society, what a wonderful movie.
  7. FMyLife

    FMyLife Chat Buddy

    Probably one of my favorite actors of all time. A man who had an effect on many lives whether they knew him personally or not. Kinda puts it out there that depression can happen to anyone.
  8. Bashik

    Bashik Member

    It bothers me that it is not until a famous person succumbs to an issue, that it becomes relevant. Many people do not know this, but a LARGE amount of suicides are not reported on, or well documented for that matter. This is because it has been agreed upon by many news organization and statistics houses that reporting on suicide is dangerous, upsets societal morale, and invites more suicide. This is an idiotic and untrue view, based on very little evidence. When was the last time depression was such an issue to the public? No one speaks about the pathetic state the mental health system in America, until someone either goes on a killing spree or a celebrity is affected by it. I have been hearing over and over again phrases like "Wow, depression is serious" "Oh, i had no idea it could be so deadly" You had no idea? To confront suicide as an issue, the approach of a society should not be, keep it locked away until it is made relevant by sensationalized death, but rather to explore the cause of the anguish and attempt to alleviate it.
  9. FMyLife

    FMyLife Chat Buddy

    I had that same thought Bashik, and even still many people are oblivious.
  10. fosty

    fosty Well-Known Member

    What they're calling 'insanity' may simply be a sane person's only response to an insane world
  11. Petal

    Petal SF dreamer Staff Member Safety & Support SF Supporter

    Ms.Doubtfire is the first film I remember watching, I would have been about 4 or 5. Robin was just so talented. Why Robin? It can happen to anybody....may he rest in peace. He will never be forgotten. :(
  12. shadowonthewall

    shadowonthewall Well-Known Member

    Robin Williams was suffering from depression, but I hate the notion that life is such an amazing gift that nobody would ever give it up a minute sooner than they had to, regardless of circumstances. It is tantamount to forcing one's religion upon others, in my opinion.
  13. Bashik

    Bashik Member

    I agree. Speaking of religion, a christian once told me "Everyone's life is precious. God has a plan for everyone" I promptly replied, "What is God's plan is to have me commit suicide?" They found that difficult to respond to, for obvious reasons.
  14. Petal

    Petal SF dreamer Staff Member Safety & Support SF Supporter

    I don't agree because depression is an illness and a very treatable one at that. It cannot even be slightly compared to forcing a religion on someone. Most people that commit suicide have an illness and most who survive a suicide attempt live to regret it. An example being me. I was in a coma in 2011 and now I'm suffering unbearable stomach pain which I still have to find out what exactly is causing it but I do believe and doctors think it may be damage due to an attempt. Had I not awoken from the coma I would never have got to do the amazing things I have done, amazing people I have met, and my precious family would have been heartbroken. I am glad I survived and was taken off the ventilator and eventually woke.

    It's an illness.
  15. Bashik

    Bashik Member

    Shadowonthewall was not implying depression wasn't an illness (at least i don''t think he or she was) i believe the comment was more focused on the widely shared societal belief that life is so invaluable, it is odd anyone would want to end it. Belief in the worth of ones life is to be decided by that person alone, and no one else. The idea that life is a container of great things is, in my opinion, obliviously optimistic. As for people who regret suicide, many suicide attempts are not reported or documented, nor is everyone who has attempted it interviewed to discover whether they regretted it (my mother was not). We do however know that if you try once, you are likely to try again. Regret that arises from consequence should not be equated the same as other forms of regret such as that which you may have due to hindsight. For example, if you attempt suicide and live, but now have no limbs, your regret is more than understandable, but it is because you crippled yourself and therefore, you regret the consequence of the decision, not the decision itself. Surviving a suicide is regrettable because your life, regardless of physical injury or not, will change. Not always for the better. Its good to hear yours did though.
  16. Petal

    Petal SF dreamer Staff Member Safety & Support SF Supporter

    I do see and respect your point of view of course..I will admit I posted that based on my own experience and statistics but as you said most do go unreported and undocumented. To be honest I'm somewhat divided in what should be allowed to be decided by the person, for example dignitas is basically a suicide clinic for the terminally ill but as far as I know don't accept mental illness but on the other hand what about those who have been diagnosed with a mental illness...I don't think they should be allowed a choice as they are mentally ill and too sick to be capable of making such a huge decision, also I am sorry to hear about your mum :(
  17. Bashik

    Bashik Member

    You are very right on that. Someone suffering from a mental illness, could possibly not be in the right state of mind to make certain decisions, such as pursuing assisted-dying. But one thing i have been wondering lately is, for all the pain mental illness causes people, how is it right to claim they do not deserve to choose permanent relief from their suffering, but those with physiological issues do. I understand the basis, don't get me wrong. Mental illness should be treated with counseling, medicine, and support, not death.It's understandable. Perhaps disorders like schizophrenia, which can include delusions, warrants this viewpoint but i myself am a completely rational human being, more than capable of making such a decision. But then of course their are legal ramifications. If everyone was allowed to gain help from these assisted-death clinics, then it would no longer be solely about ending pain but more so about giving death to anyone who walked in the door.
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