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Root Causes of Suicide?

Lady Wolfshead

wishes you well
#1
Okay, so I was just reading of a member here having to sign a "safety contract" promising not to kill himself but to take other measures if he feels suicidal. Presumably this contract is to access health services. I've agreed to no-suicide before but never actually signed a fricken contract. WTF? Are they going to sue him if he attempts?

Also today - my husband heard on the news that major grocery chains say that their "holiday freeze" on grocery prices has ended so expect prices to go up. But everyone I know is already talking about how prices have already gone up - at a much higher rate than the cost of inflation.

Also recently watched a video that a member here posted, about a charity that helps veterans in the UK opening their doors to other people. Several people who are clients said they would be dead by suicide if this charity hadn't provided them with some free food, companionship and activities.
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So I know that nobody probably throws up their hands and says "Grocery prices are up - I'm going to kill myself!" Yet each little stress is another straw piled onto the camel's back, and poverty is a huge stress. Canada just released statistics that say it will cost $16,288.41 per year to feed a family of 4 in 2023.

Meanwhile workloads increase for workers, rents go up as corporations purchase rental buildings and jack up rates. Disability can be almost impossible to qualify for.

Here's a New York Times article that a member here forwarded me, about mental health being political:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/20/opinion/us-mental-health-politics.html

It ends with : "Solving the mental health crisis, then, will require fighting for people to have secure access to things that buffer them from chronic stress: housing, food security, education, child care, job security, the right to organize for more humane workplaces and substantive action on the imminent climate apocalypse.
A fight for mental health waged only on the terms of access to psychiatric care does not only risk bolstering justifications for profiteering invoked by start-ups eager to capitalize on the widespread effects of grief, anxiety and despair. It also risks pathologizing the very emotions we are going to need to harness for their political power to get real solutions."
-Danielle Carr is an assistant professor at the Institute for Society and Genetics at U.C.L.A. She is working on a book about the history of neuroscience.


Discussion welcome!
 

Ziggy

Antiquitie's Friend
#3
To me this is a similar question to "What makes people happy?" There's a lot of different answers. So people who live in absolute poverty can be happy, but people with wealth can be sad. People living in solitude can be happy but those with friends and family can be sad etc. How much is due to genetics?
 
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Ziggy

Antiquitie's Friend
#4
It also strikes me that someone who is worried about our mental health doesn't say that "life is ok" but talks about the "mental health crisis" and "imminent climate apocalypse"... ok that makes us all feel better then! Do they have a point or are they just going for the big story? (I believe they do have a point but they're pushing it.)
 

Lady Wolfshead

wishes you well
#5
To me this is a similar question to "What makes people happy?" There's a lot of different answers. So people who live in absolute poverty can be happy, but people with wealth can be sad. People living in solitude can be happy but those with friends and family can be sad etc. How much is due to genetics?
Sure I think some is genetics, but suicide is becoming more common and I think there are many factors other than innate ones at play.
 

Lady Wolfshead

wishes you well
#6
Okay I will give an example of a suicide solution that does NOT address the root causes. Factories in Shenzhen, China had a rash of suicides about 10 years ago tied to workers living under brutal conditions. So, the factories installed suicide nets to stop workers from taking their lives that way. And it helped! Suicides went down. Problem solved!
 

Ziggy

Antiquitie's Friend
#7
I have heard that people have committed suicide in areas due to other people having done so, "x and y killed themselves by doing this and so I (z) will too". So x, y, and z all have different root causes, but z only killed themselves because they heard about x and y maybe? All I'm saying is that I don't think there's a clear link between 'root causes' and suicide. (For example the thing that made me want to live was my friend committing suicide and all the issues I had at the time became secondary when this happened)
 

SillyOldBear

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Staff Alumni
#8
I think the root of suicide is low self-esteem. Then things build from there. You experience failure, loneliness, financial problems, health issues. And it all pushes you to the edge.
I hear that credit card balances are going way up. And retirement accounts are being accessed so people can make ends meet. And our leaders keep saying all is well. But radio talks about severe food shortages, and war, even world war, and US lack of ability to fight one due to so much being sent to Ukraine. And US debt ceiling needs to be raised, but some refuse to raise it unless cuts are made. Like to medicare and medicaid. Which could be enough to push people over the edge.
 

seabird

meandering home
SF Supporter
#9
Perhaps this thread should probably have a trigger warning. At lead in my view, reading it makes me feel more like ending my life.
From the NIH:

"Suicide does not discriminate. It can touch anyone, anywhere, at any time. But there are certain factors that can contribute to the risk of suicide, including:

  • Having attempted suicide before
  • Depression and other mental health disorders
  • Alcohol or drug use disorder
  • Family history of a mental health disorder
  • Family history of an alcohol or drug use disorder
  • Family history of suicide
  • Family violence, including intimate partner violence, child abuse, or sexualabuse
  • Having guns in the home
  • Being in or having recently gotten out of prison or jail
  • Being exposed to others' suicidal behavior, such as a family member, peer, or celebrity
  • Medical illness, including chronic pain
  • Stressful life event, such as a job loss, financial problems, loss of a loved one, a breakup of a relationship, etc.
  • Being between the ages of 15 and 24 years or over age 60"

  • (https://medlineplus.gov/suicide.html)
 

Ziggy

Antiquitie's Friend
#10
Being between the ages of 15 and 24 years or over age 60"
I thought the list was quite helpful until I read this one. Factors are you're old or you're young. Can see why this thread made you feel worse.
However I think that this can be positive, they can't say 'if you're like this then you're likely to commit suicide' as so many young and elderly people don't.
 
#11
Perhaps this thread should probably have a trigger warning. At lead in my view, reading it makes me feel more like ending my life.
From the NIH:

"Suicide does not discriminate. It can touch anyone, anywhere, at any time. But there are certain factors that can contribute to the risk of suicide, including:
  • Having attempted suicide before
  • Depression and other mental health disorders
  • Alcohol or drug use disorder
  • Family history of a mental health disorder
  • Family history of an alcohol or drug use disorder
  • Family history of suicide
  • Family violence, including intimate partner violence, child abuse, or sexualabuse
  • Having guns in the home
  • Being in or having recently gotten out of prison or jail
  • Being exposed to others' suicidal behavior, such as a family member, peer, or celebrity
  • Medical illness, including chronic pain
  • Stressful life event, such as a job loss, financial problems, loss of a loved one, a breakup of a relationship, etc.
  • Being between the ages of 15 and 24 years or over age 60"

  • (https://medlineplus.gov/suicide.html)
The list makes sense. I think things like debt, rising food costs, employment stress and housing insecurity pile onto pre-existing mental health problems and psychological burdens to create desperation in some vulnerable people.

I'm sorry you felt that reading this thread made you feel more like taking your life. *hug That's the last thing I want. You are welcome to report it and ask for some kind of trigger warning, although I'm not sure what is triggered. Too much reality? That's why I rarely watch the news.
 
#12
I agree that the road to ending one's life comes from many different places, but in general I believe not from any one cause, but sometimes a combo of many. And I believe if the cause is unique to each individual, then the solution should be too, instead of generic 'one size fits all' solutions.

@Lady W, you mention about not fixing something at the source, such as the China factory. A very famous landmark in the U.S. did the same thing at great expense, and that irritates me, because they really didn't 'stop' anything. They didn't address the cause, which is what I believe the funding would have been better spent on. And if suicide is statistically increasing, I believe it's because those who have the power to prevent it are caring less, and taking more from society than they give back.

The only other thing I'll add is the statement I've heard, "All pain comes from desire", which I agree with. The problem is, what if that 'desire' is for something we need, that is actually good for us? Are we just to become numb to everything then? I would never have lasted as long as I have without becoming numb to certain things through either meds, vices, or internal change. The question is, I don't know if that's good for me, becoming that numb just to survive and not go towards suicide. I've traded some of my good personality from youth just to live, so is that really a good thing? I believe it helps with stability though, as I'm much more stable than I was in the past under the same or even worse conditions.
 

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