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scared to use the 'r' word

Discussion in 'Rape and Abuse' started by oliviae, Jan 25, 2018.

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  1. oliviae

    oliviae New Member

    Hey all, this is my first post but it's the big dark spot in my psyche right now. I got out of a year and a half long relationship in September. He was a rebound and I thought it would be fun. I was almost immediately sucked into the life of a guy who had extensive, sick rape fantasies, all the time. He had them about friends, teachers, and his family. He told me that he was scared he would rape his little 16 year old cousin, and that playing out rape fantasies with me would be a way to avoid that. I'm extremely upset by and uncomfortable with this, but at this point I consent because I'm thinking if I can help this young girl, what's the worst that could happen? That goes on for months, and sometimes I cry (it's always painful) but I don't legitimately protest. One day, over this summer (I don't remember the day, which I know is odd but I didn't let myself think of it as rape at the time) he went too far. We started messing around, and we began his "fantasy" except this time, he was rougher. He started calling me by his cousin's name, saying scary and disgusting things about her, pretending I was her. I panicked and struggled to get away, cried, said no and stop. I went way farther in protesting because this time, it was real and desperate. He didn't stop. I wonder often if he knew that it was for real that time; I'm thinking he did. He covered my mouth and held my arms and choked me. My tears flowed onto his hands.

    We broke up in September (he was also physically and emotionally abusive so this was hard, but I figure that's for a different forum). I've told no one. I have terrible nightmares, the most life like I've ever had, of the incident. I've also had nightmares of non-specific rape. I have them often now. I also have dreams of what could now be happening to his cousin, since I've left. I hate the thought of sex and sexuality. I tried to hook up with a guy I'm into last week, and part of me was so into it, but I was also so nauseous and viscerally scared. I'm worried these things will never go away.

    I feel as if I can't tell anyone. I sympathize endlessly for other victims, but I can't apply that same sympathy to myself and I don't know why. I don't want to be seen "that way," though I don't think badly of other victims. Part of me knows this isn't true, but sometimes I still invalidate that is was rape, thinking that since I'd consented to the fantasies before, maybe that means I have to stop complaining about it. And what if he really didn't know, then is it rape?

    Sorry for the rant, y'all. I just needed to get it out somewhere. Thank you.
  2. may71

    may71 Well-Known Member

    Sorry to hear this Oliviae

    If you said no and stop, and didn't explicitly have an agreement that saying no and stop was part of fantasy play, then yes, it was rape.

    It could be that talking to his cousin and other people on his rape fantasy list could be worthwhile.
  3. Freya

    Freya Loves SF Staff Member ADMIN SF Author

    If saying no was part of the fantasy rape-play and you didn't have a pre-agreed method of establishing whether or not the "no" was part of the consented-to fantasy or was a 'real no' then it is difficult thing to "legally" call it rape. That said, any person who has been engaging in intimate acts with another person for an extended period is entirely capable of being able to tell the difference between agreed upon fantasy play and real distress. What he did was wrong - he changed the parameters of the consented to fantasy play by changing his behaviour and the things he was saying without a discussion. You did not agree to that before hand - ergo you had not consented to that scenario so I would say you are perfectly justified in considering it rape.

    I would say that you have a certain responsibility to protect the cousin - you know that he is "concerned" he may rape her and that alone I think is enough of a reason to take action. You need to speak to a rape counsellor for yourself and take some informed advice on how best to go about protecting the young girl in question (and any other woman he may decide to 'act out' these fantasies with). If he needs to act them out to control them as described to you, then he desperately needs some help.

    You can Google for counsellors - try 1-800-621-4673 - you need to get help to deal with what happened to you and also help for the other people he is almost certainly going to hurt if you do nothing.
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  4. Walker

    Walker Everything Zen Staff Member Safety & Support SF Social Media SF Supporter

    He knew. That was rape. It's rape even if you guys started off by screwing around and then it became something else. You said no and I'm positive he knew you meant it.
    Also, does his cousin know she's at such risk? If not, you should let her know. Whatever happens in that family happens... but she should know he's into her in this sick fuckin way.
  5. Lady Wolfshead

    Lady Wolfshead Trying to re-dream my dreams

    It was rape. I would make a police report because even if it goes nowhere, it will be there when (not if) he rapes another woman.
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