Should Marijuana be legalized in your country?

Should Marijuana be legalized in your country?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 49 72.1%
  • No.

    Votes: 18 26.5%
  • What's Mari J Uana?

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Total voters
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Lovecraft

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#21
Although it's only the part of the mirror image that can't penetrate the blood brain barrier, it's still fun to point out that methamphetamine is sold over the counter and although it isn't the 'good stuff' it will still get you a high. I also happen to know benzocaine is an over the counter drug too.
 

Tobes

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#22
I'm almost certain that my opinion will be disagreed with, but I don't think it should be legalized. For starters, while it doesn't cause mental illness, it does both worsen and speed up the process. Schizophrenia is the extreme, but psychosis can also occur, as well as depression and anxiety, both being much more common among users than the first two.

Another reason that I don't think it should be legalized, one that those in control of the situation probably share, is that weed affects everyone differently. Some can smoke once or twice a month and not let it phase them, while others feel that they need to smoke everyday (often multiple times) to be satisfied. Some can smoke a bowl and carry out tasks as they would if they were sober, and others make mistakes frequently. Some smoke a cone or 5 and have a laugh with their buddies, while others get paranoid to the point that they can't think straight. These effects can occur for a first time smoker, or one who has smoked for years, like myself.

Despite what I have mentioned so far, I think the most compelling reason it hasn't been legalized is that if it were, a lot of people would think it was suddenly okay to do, mainly teenagers. While adults can handle pot better, teens generally can not. Don't get me wrong, they don't have a few and freak out, but, they do tend to center their lives around getting high.

I come from a small town where smoking pot is an institution among young people, and the divide between teenagers doing well in school and stoners skipping school to get high is noticable. All teenage me cared about was when I would get my next cone, and it was the same for the other smokers I got high with. My grades plummeted during my years in high school, and after finishing I got a job purely so I would have more money to spend on pot, which I did lavishly. Many of the stoners I knew didn't even do that, and would rely on their parents or unemployment benefits for pot money. All they did was sit at home, gather at the town park, or generally bum around, getting high when they had the chance. Like me, they recieved crappy grades at school and didn't care. Meanwhile, the teenagers who didn't smoke got good grades at school, got jobs after school, and quickly moved out, usually to a better town. You could say that my town was a rarity, but now I live in a different, bigger town, and see the teenage stoners (that I know of) doing the exact same thing. Even the adult stoners I know of, both in my old town and any other town I have lived since, have getting stoned as their number one priority (at least from what I have seen).

What I am trying to say is that the amount of people adversely effected by smoking pot would only increase if it were legalized. Profits would rise, but productivity would fall, so it would probably break even. Pot smokers would no longer have a reason to quit, and could smoke for as long as they wanted, whenever they wanted, without a problem (other than lack of money). You could say that this is the way it should be, but with a drug that increases the chances of psychosis and/or schizophrenia over time, as well as increases dependancy and lowers the 'stoned' feeling with more use (meaning you need to smoke more and more), you can see how it would probably leave people worse off in the long run, only on a larger scale than it is currently.

Sorry for the length of this post, and I should add that I am in favour of decriminilazation, as one should not be locked up with convicted criminals just for purchasing or posessing a few buds.
 
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#23
One of my friends has Chrones disease and it helps him so much, if anything they should legalize it medicinally. The sick shouldnt have to try hard to get weed. I mean, if the average person does, so be it...but someone going through chemo shouldnt have to meet a sketchy dealer to help them feel better.
 

aoeu

Well-Known Member
#24
Legalized? Probably. I think in effect it has been where I live - I was passed on a busy street the other day by a cyclist smoking a joint (in Toronto.)

Decriminalized? Certainly. There are people in jail for DECADES in the US for possession. That's incredibly unreasonable, not to mention expensive.
 

Zurkhardo

Well-Known Member
#25
I'm almost certain that my opinion will be disagreed with, but I don't think it should be legalized. For starters, while it doesn't cause mental illness, it does both worsen and speed up the process. Schizophrenia is the extreme, but psychosis can also occur, as well as depression and anxiety, both being much more common among users than the first two.

Another reason that I don't think it should be legalized, one that those in control of the situation probably share, is that weed affects everyone differently. Some can smoke once or twice a month and not let it phase them, while others feel that they need to smoke everyday (often multiple times) to be satisfied. Some can smoke a bowl and carry out tasks as they would if they were sober, and others make mistakes frequently. Some smoke a cone or 5 and have a laugh with their buddies, while others get paranoid to the point that they can't think straight. These effects can occur for a first time smoker, or one who has smoked for years, like myself.

Despite what I have mentioned so far, I think the most compelling reason it hasn't been legalized is that if it were, a lot of people would think it was suddenly okay to do, mainly teenagers. While adults can handle pot better, teens generally can not. Don't get me wrong, they don't have a few and freak out, but, they do tend to center their lives around getting high.

I come from a small town where smoking pot is an institution among young people, and the divide between teenagers doing well in school and stoners skipping school to get high is noticable. All teenage me cared about was when I would get my next cone, and it was the same for the other smokers I got high with. My grades plummeted during my years in high school, and after finishing I got a job purely so I would have more money to spend on pot, which I did lavishly. Many of the stoners I knew didn't even do that, and would rely on their parents or unemployment benefits for pot money. All they did was sit at home, gather at the town park, or generally bum around, getting high when they had the chance. Like me, they recieved crappy grades at school and didn't care. Meanwhile, the teenagers who didn't smoke got good grades at school, got jobs after school, and quickly moved out, usually to a better town. You could say that my town was a rarity, but now I live in a different, bigger town, and see the teenage stoners (that I know of) doing the exact same thing. Even the adult stoners I know of, both in my old town and any other town I have lived since, have getting stoned as their number one priority (at least from what I have seen).

What I am trying to say is that the amount of people adversely effected by smoking pot would only increase if it were legalized. Profits would rise, but productivity would fall, so it would probably break even. Pot smokers would no longer have a reason to quit, and could smoke for as long as they wanted, whenever they wanted, without a problem (other than lack of money). You could say that this is the way it should be, but with a drug that increases the chances of psychosis and/or schizophrenia over time, as well as increases dependancy and lowers the 'stoned' feeling with more use (meaning you need to smoke more and more), you can see how it would probably leave people worse off in the long run, only on a larger scale than it is currently.

Sorry for the length of this post, and I should add that I am in favour of decriminilazation, as one should not be locked up with convicted criminals just for purchasing or posessing a few buds.
Very well said Tobbes. I largely agree. I think decriminalization is the closest 'compromise' option possible. Fully blown legalization is actually nonexistant (most countries decriminalize), largely for the reasons you noted.
 

boo

Well-Known Member
#28
yeh ill bet, im willing to bet everyone here who wants it legalized is a pot head. No it absolutely should not be legalized and yes it is worse for you than alcohol and ciggerattes.
Your opinion is heard. Now please refrain from calling people names. Or make uneducated angry guesses. Should you have read the thread from the beginning you would see that some people don't smoke it and yet want it legalized. Who pissed on your cereal? :blink:

From DrugWarFacts.org

Annual Causes of Death in the United States :


Tobacco 435,000

Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000

Alcohol 85,000

Microbial Agents 75,000

Toxic Agents 55,000

Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347

Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000

Suicide 30,622

Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000

Homicide 20,308

Sexual Behaviors 20,000

All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000

Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600

Marijuana 0, Zero, zip, nada, niente, rien, caput, yo quiero taco bell?


Source:
Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH. (i don't know what's with all the phd mp3, but i think they are doctors... :D )
"Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, (March 10, 2004), G225 Vol. 291, No. 10, p. 1238, 1240.

I think those doctors have more credit than you about this issue...

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"This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death."

"By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year."

Source:
US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition"


But again your opinions was heard. I'm trying to show you facts. But then again i remember you saying statistics are poop. So let's leave it at that. You seem rather angry. I won't pretend to know why.
 
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KittyGirl

Well-Known Member
#29
I personally do not/have never/will never touch the stuff at all, but it's become blindingly obvious that it should just be legalized. Same with prostitution-- legalize it. It will be much safer and more regulated that way.
 
#30
yeah legalise it, but have age restrictions as it is bad for brain development and younger people as with alcohol etc are less able to deal with the effects. I think it should be made far more available for people with illnesses where it will help, and it is alot less dangerous than many things. Yes it has been shown to cause mental health problems or increase exsisting ones but thats mainly in younger people where the brain is still developing and it depends on the strain of the weed. Diff weeds have different levels of the psychotic causing parts and there are also parts that counteract that. The strongest weeds should be avoided!

anyhoo

x

Oh, and no I'm not a 'pot head'
 

IV2010

Well-Known Member
#31
I'm guessing I will be hounded down here with my opinion but here goes anyway...

I don't think it should be legalized....

I know someone who smokes it daily and I think most of the day everyday because of addiction as an escape from their problems......
it has definately had a negative effect on their life....
neglecting family relationships, putting up with an abusive relationship, neglecting their children in favour of the pot...just a few of the negatives...
and i know it's affected their ability to think rationally.....
being totally isolated just to keep smoking the damn stuff...
one of the children says the parent puts their habit ahead of the kids....

If someone has a medical complaint with a doctors advice to do it then by all means legalize it for that reason only..
 

boo

Well-Known Member
#32
I'm guessing I will be hounded down here with my opinion but here goes anyway...

I don't think it should be legalized....

I know someone who smokes it daily and I think most of the day everyday because of addiction as an escape from their problems......
it has definately had a negative effect on their life....
neglecting family relationships, putting up with an abusive relationship, neglecting their children in favour of the pot...just a few of the negatives...
and i know it's affected their ability to think rationally.....
being totally isolated just to keep smoking the damn stuff...
one of the children says the parent puts their habit ahead of the kids....

If someone has a medical complaint with a doctors advice to do it then by all means legalize it for that reason only..
You have a good point. Yes, it can amplify your problems. But lets say we take away the drug from that person. There's 50/50 chance he will find other means to escape his problems. Be it Alcohol, Porn, Gambling, Extreme eating etc, which can be as bad if not worse.
I'm not saying the drug didn't play a part in his isolation or whatnot, it probably did. But i believe the true problem lies deeper in your friend's case. Marijuana does not make a person abusive, nor does it have such a lasting effect that the person cannot quit it. Bad parenting cannot be blame so easily on weed. It's an easy cop out to blame it. The root of the problem might be that your friend is irresponsible to begin with.
Too much of something is always bad obviously. Hell, too much water can kill you. Too much food can kill you. Too much love can kill you. Well you get my point...
Being uneducated about things is just as bad. This might be out of place, but like the old saying goes : "Guns don't kill people, People kill people" So you might say, well that's why guns should be ban. Then that person will find other means.
 

UnkelHeit

Well-Known Member
#34
I think hemp should be grown for all its uses. I think marijuana should be legalized. I'm sure most of the arguments have been covered. I'll just say I don't pay much attention to any of the information out there, pro or con. It's all too biased.
 

Axiom

Account Closed
#35
Do you truly believe that as a society we are intelligent enough to use marijuana freely and not have it envelope our lives?

The only reason I point this out is, all the common sense you find on this forum, all the common sense you find with your friends and on reports, there is still a concerning lack of common sense throughout the world. And especially in America, Canada and the UK.

It could be like letting a kid lose in a candy shop and telling him everything is free, and he pigging out till he's sick. Or it could be like letting a kid lose in a candy shop and telling him everything is free and he only takes 2 candies.

Im not sure, society can be like a rabid dog on a chain sometimes. Because you and I might want it, doesn't mean it's good for everyone.


We can't even agree as a whole what direction we are going...
 

Petal

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#36
I'm unsure. I can't remember what my original vote to this thread was but...

If it's proven to help medically with certain illnesses , and the benefits outweigh the risks then I'd say yes.

But I have read many times that excessive use of marijuana can lead to psychosis and other mental illnesses.. so :dunno:
 
#39
Your opinion is heard. Now please refrain from calling people names. Or make uneducated angry guesses. Should you have read the thread from the beginning you would see that some people don't smoke it and yet want it legalized. Who pissed on your cereal? :blink:
Not sure but i saw him walk away with his tail between his legs, ugly fucker so it was probabaly you. :)

From DrugWarFacts.org

Annual Causes of Death in the United States :


Tobacco 435,000

Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000

Alcohol 85,000

Microbial Agents 75,000

Toxic Agents 55,000

Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347

Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000

Suicide 30,622

Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000

Homicide 20,308

Sexual Behaviors 20,000

All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000

Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600

Marijuana 0, Zero, zip, nada, niente, rien, caput, yo quiero taco bell?
Ok let me clear this up by saying bullshit.
http://www.kgbanswers.com/how-many-deathes-are-caused-by-marijuana/4206088
You are simply looking when you see that statistic when the plant is induced into an overdose so youre not looking at the picture as a whole. The marijuana related deaths including by autmobile accidents and others simply because they were high. Its already been linked to brain loss and by tlaking to you i can believe it. Youve failed to take into account all of that, even with it being a gateway drug. Like we posted up a couple of days ago that couple trying to sell their baby was doing meth at the time, and yet i dont believe im actually having a conversation with idiots who wanna legalize it and have more baby sales in parking lots. And look at that it says illicit drug use, do you think maybe some of those were introduced by marijuana and wanted to try something harder? Noone on record has ever died from a marijuana overdose, but they were stupid as fuck. food for thought, and when i say thought take your time :) Thats what we call a statistic.
As for the site its not even based in the US its in fucking Canada.
http://www.domainlogr.com/url/drugwarfacts.org
What the hell does Canada know about the drug problem in the US.
0, Zero, zip, nada, niente, rien, caput, yo quiero taco bell?
that fucking website is all bullshit anyway, you want real fucking facts?
http://www.cannabisconsumers.org/reports/drugwarfacts.php
Dont break a nail on the keyboard getting there.

Source:
Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH. (i don't know what's with all the phd mp3, but i think they are doctors... :D )
"Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, (March 10, 2004), G225 Vol. 291, No. 10, p. 1238, 1240.

I think those doctors have more credit than you about this issue...
Heres your doctoral credit right here..
http://www.global-warming-and-the-climate.com/arguments-against-global-warming.htm

All of these so called scientists relating to the worlds biggest scam had PHDs too and that didnt mean jack shit. hence the word SCAM!!! Ill let you take a second i know the dope is still wearing off. But i suppose you would probably eat that garbage up to huh.

"This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death."

"By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year."
Weve already cleared this up there is no recorded death on file with someone OD with marijuana but it does have related deaths such as driving while high. And absolutely by no means is it that widely used. I think by now most people have figured out it makes a fucking retard so i thank you for exposing yourself to them for a prime example as to why kids shouldnt do drugs. And youre weak argument about the asprin is pathetic.. I mean youre failing to take into account the people that abuse that drug as well.

But again your opinions was heard. I'm trying to show you facts. But then again i remember you saying statistics are poop. So let's leave it at that. You seem rather angry. I won't pretend to know why.
It doesnt matter if it was heard or not, at the end of the day noone is going to change where they stand because of a lack of moral issue as well. You liberal fucks always tuck your tail between your legs and run and hide when theyres trouble. I guess the same reason the liberal Bill Clinton entered office and our war on drugs got into a mess. And the same reason he went to Russia and burnt the American flag, all because he didnt have any morals to stand on. Same as you, morals meaning where do you stand. If you wanna go and run and give up on the drug war and so called change strategy youre a quiter and a coward. If when the fight gets harder you wanna quit it shows seirous lack of character. Our Founding Fathers didnt fight so hard and then decide it was too hard they should just quit so that losers like you can do it years later. If you dont like the we don things here go to fucking Amsterdam or something. At the end of the day i know youre for the legalization of drugs, the substance that causes untold deaths around the world. The illegal drugs being smuggled across the border, but then again i guess noone dies from marijuana according to your statistic do they. Hell we should pass them out like candy because theyre probably good for you right? After all theyres nothing wrong with someone selling drugs to kids on playgrounds or the brave border patrol agents getting shot because the drug lords smuggling this innocent drug is there. Marijuana is innocent and noone dies from using it, all of those car accidents from smoking it is just lies spread right? Theyres nothing wrong with drugs, esspecially such a harmless one that could lead to others more severe. You think about that, but not before that dope wears off youll give yourself a headache.. Aspirin?
 
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