Should people be allowed to commit suicide?

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  1. Ruby

    Ruby Well-Known Member

    I think that if I want to end my life then I should be allowed to do so. What is the purpose of life anyway? I don't want to be here, and that isn't a thought that's being clouded by mental illness, it's my own personal decision.
  2. Spearmint

    Spearmint Well-Known Member

    I think it's a personal choice, that the person should be able to make, whether or not someone else doesn't think it is the right one...:unsure:
  3. Ruby

    Ruby Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I don't mean encourage it and help others to end their life. I mean when someone has been very miserable for a very long time, they should be able to slip away if that's want they want to do so.
  4. jonstark

    jonstark Well-Known Member

    No one prevents people from killing themselves. But it's natural to call an ambulance if you see someone that's dying. Can't just let a person die if you can help it. That would be almost equivalent to murder.
  5. ybt

    ybt Guest

    The fact that suicide is illegal (or the act of encouraging suicide) is laughable. THE PENALTY OF DOING SO IS MOST HEINOUS, AND WILL RESULT I- oh, the accused is dead. Next!
  6. LostMyMind

    LostMyMind Well-Known Member

  7. itmahanh

    itmahanh Senior Member & Antiquities Friend

    It is considered inhumane to keep a pet or animal alive if it is suffering, but not humans? The longer you let that animal suffer the more people consider you almost a monster. But the longer someone tries to keep a suicidal person alive everyone pats them on the back makes them feel like some sort of saint. It makes me sick that society has made suicide so taboo. There are not enough educated people out there (educated by means of first hand experience rather than text books) who know how devastating the pain is that a suicidal person is suffering. Yes!!!! But also don't make the family that is left behind be labelled because someone they loved was able to end their own pain!!!
  8. Petal

    Petal SF dreamer Staff Alumni SF Supporter

    yes definitely, completely agree
  9. Blackness

    Blackness Guest

    Our life is full of CHOICES.
    I have the choice to wake up in the morning, I have the choice on if i want an apple or an orange. I can CHOOSE my friends. I can hate some and love some. I can stay alone all my life or I can spend it with others. I dont have to drive a flash car if I dont want to. The person next to me might like the colour white but I dont. Life is full of choices, yet when some body says they dont like life they freak out.
    We dont ALL have to LIKE everything. Some of us hate life. Some of us love life. We are ALL DIFFERENT we all deserve the right and choice about anything in life. And whether that is to die or live we all should be allowed the CHOICE.
  10. People are allowed to commit suicide, as long as they don't get taken to a psych ward before it.
  11. aqaq22

    aqaq22 Well-Known Member

    I don't know if those laws are still on the books in most states. At least, if they are, the penalties are largely ignored.

    Current thinking, or so I've read fwiw.., is that it's now a fairly widely accepted idea that if someone does try to kill themselves, and fails...suicide being illegal only keeps people from seeking tmt.

    Those laws were meant to keep people from suiciding. I believe that's a fairly outdated thought now. Like I said, so I've read fwiw, alot of states have removed those statutes, and more are in the process of doing so.
  12. Beattles

    Beattles Well-Known Member

    remember just because it is illegal, dosnt mean it is immoral.
    people will do whatever they can anyway, regardless of the law.
    it would be like asking "if eating chicken breast became illegal tomorow, would you stop eating it? would it be wrong to consume chicken breast?"
  13. ybt

    ybt Guest

  14. Supposedly, suicide is not illegal in the U.S., although, some people say that it is illegal here. If suicide were illegal, there would be court proceedings with states charging people for "Attempt To Commit Murder Upon Oneself", or something similar to that charge. There would be a fine and/or jail time, not just psychiatric evaluation in a ward.
  15. Axiom

    Axiom Account Closed

    How can another being tell me who and what I am, let alone define my exsistence into a term and say what and what I can not do.

    The law to me is a system of 'facts' that encompse a tail end aspect of feeling and exsistence to create "A" structure that keeps us all sane and working together. By far in my opinon only touches with the outward expressions of individuals and groups, and reacts to subdue people from ventureing outside the societies accepted perimiters.

    We usuallly speak on general terms, we mean something so much deeper, but when we speak, or even write, we are limiting the expression to the depths of the tool we use to express it to others, in my opinon.

    Society gives me a general idea, ITS(someone elses, some peoples collaberated general views, which at the tail end of each view, are so different then the true depths they probably as individuals see it in depth) general views.

    How else would you teach an exsistence(a child for example) depths and views ebyond their comprehension? A view most tolerated in my opinon, talk about, say "the"(your) definition of it, show "the"(your) limit of it, and stand your ground, because this, your view, works for you.

    Laws like this in my view help people who proceed through life without looking and being aware, who use the tools and abilities we all have but iwthout seeing a larger picture or careing for the exsistence of life itself. Society and the law is an expansive conceptual web that's strung together. A law on suicide isnt only, in my opinon, a law on suicide , but an aspect to try to set a standard for the quaility and value of life.

    Well they do try eh?

    Hey, if u get life insurance and off yourself, ur family aint gettin that dough!
    Hey, if u know its agaisnt the law when ure standing on that edge, maybe the fact that its against the law will make u stop... yeah probably not, but there are people who are not intune with life on any level and choose the law to be their core.

    theres a trillion reasons, and to be honest, in my opinon u can just feel the application of a law like that. More freeing without it, .. fuck the more laws there are the less freedoms we have.. but then again, you cant define me, just my actions i guess..

    Dont take this the wrong way, just take a look at the question of this thread.

    "shoud people be allowed to commit suicide?"

    The stateing point of that.. allow? I feel uneasy even percieving that position of thinking. One exsitence above another? Someones choice to end their life, their path in this exsistence doesn't challenge me directly in this exsistence. Internally.. yeah, if soemone i knew suicided, it would be a direct internal challenge. But that's a reaction on a inderect level, and completely on another way of feeling and thinking.

    Allowing sounds like to dominate and instruct those who know less or who are weaker know their place and make them submit to a higher aspect in my opinon.. but in truth, who knows you the most? a concept or you?
  16. Melancholy

    Melancholy Well-Known Member

    Interesting how all other laws seem to be in place to protect others from the actions of another individual. Why is suicide the exception? Why should others be involved in a decision which is, fundamentally, not theirs to make?

    It seems to be one of those laws that was completely based on personal opinion, like homosexual relationships being illegal. The difference being that people came to their senses regarding gay/lesbian relationships, putting differences aside and accepting that each person sees the world differently.

    Hopefully it is just a matter of time until the same happens with suicide.
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  17. JohnADreams

    JohnADreams Well-Known Member

    I presume that all or most of you would be indifferent if you saw someone attempting suicide, since you believe it to be a personal choice not bound by moral or legal codes.

    The only reason why there are laws against suicide is to prevent it being accepted as a viable choice. If it was ever treated as such, then there's the danger that it would be more prevalent and cause a domino effect of depression and possible subsequent suicides.
    It is inhumane to keep any living creature suffering but it's not the right choice to destroy an animal who is not suffering anything terminal or is only suffering temporarily. Letting an animal die in those kind of circumstances is neglect at best. As long as there is any real, objective chance of recovery then treatment is a far better option than death.
  18. ybt

    ybt Guest

    "The only reason why there are laws against suicide is to prevent it being accepted as a viable choice." is a viable choice.
  19. Hae-Gi

    Hae-Gi Banned Member

    Suicide is legal in Sweden, and Sweden does not have an unusually high number of suicides. There is a myth that such is the case, but that probably was created by the US government, in the seventies, when the relations between Sweden and USA were cold, due to Sweden being too socialist. As such, this myth was created, in an attempt to make it seem as if socialism leads to an increase in suicide.

    Although suicide is legal in Sweden, you're not allowed to do it, if you're in a psych ward. It isn't really considered a viable choice; "If you're a danger against yourself or others," you shall be incarcerated. No one should have the right to decide what one should be allowed to do with oneself, and I hate this stupid country for it. It is one of the very best countries in the world, but I still hate it. It's like with my looks... I may look better than the vast majority, but it still isn't enough, if it isn't perfect.
  20. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    In the end, it really doesn't matter if it's something that the law allows or not. A determined person will do it regardless. At the moment, I'm merely plagued by suicidal thoughts. No real desire to actually do it. But if I should decide to, I'm intelligent enough to figure out how to do it right the first time. I know enough that the degree of certainty would be at least 90%. And it's pretty much the same for anyone who has the time to research and think it through. There's not much anyone can do to stop someone who's made the decision and is sure about it.

    Should it be officially legal? Ideally, yes. But things are never simple. People have family members who care about them and would be deeply hurt by the death of their loved ones. People are selfish. They want their loved ones to live for them as much as their loved ones want to die for themselves.

    Reason #2 - People who make laws are usually control freaks. That's why they decide to make a career out of making laws. It bothers them when people do things they wouldn't do. Well, in a way, it bothers us all when people do things we wouldn't. But they take it far more personally. Suicide particularly bothers them because the person is doing something they can never punish them for.
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