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Social wisdom or not: "Parents are not responsible for an adult child's poor choices."

#1
The problem with sweeping statements like the above... where do I start?

People make these statements as if they are fact, but they are not. They are opinion. I have made the mistake of trying to defend myself if I am attacked for having a different opinion. Now I simply say I disagree, and that the statement while it may be true in some cases, is too broad and often untrue, unfair and misleading.

Think about how devout people deal with God for a minute. If the crops are plentiful and people have good fortune, the devout are quick to sing the praises of God. They worship to the rooftops. But if the crops fail and terrible tragedies happen... nobody wants to blame God. They may implore God for help. If they blame God, people are shocked and condemn them. But God loves us! So we say that He moves in mysterious ways, only gives us as much as we can take, etc. Anything but blame God!

Parents are authority figures and in some ways the relationship is similar as when we are growing up, they have near absolute power over us. If they are strict and demanding, this often continues even into adulthood. And we all can be influenced by the ideology of worshipping parents, especially Moms.

Aristotle said "Give me the child until he is 7. And I will give you the man."

And we see that if someone achieves great things, they often recognize their parents. What do we hear from every actor who wins an Oscar. "I would like to thank God and my parents."

But then would not the parents hold equal power over producing a child who failed to achieve great things? Or a criminal?

My stepmother's father told her she was stupid repeatedly and berated her throughout her childhood. She later made the "poor choice" of not going to college. So according to the above statement he is not responsible for that.

I know a woman who is morbidly obese who was sexually assaulted by her father. Morbid obesity is much more common in women who were sexually abused or assaulted than in women who were not. So is her father not responsible in some way for her obesity?

Someone who is neglected and gets improper nutrition in childhood can have lifelong emotional problems. Why do we think that a child who gets improper emotional nourishment should have no problems or be able to make good decisions?

Sure, everyone thinks that as an adult you can just change yourself, change your thinking. If that were possible, nobody would suffer from depression.

The truth is this: Your childhood shapes every part of who you become. The very structure of your brain and neural pathways. Of course it influences your decisions.

Some parents of course cannot help certain things, like having inadequate food. But child abuse is extremely common - up to 60% of American adults report physical, sexual or emotional abuse. The most common abuse is children under 3, and is physical abuse.

Someone mentioned elder abuse, which is about 4% and mostly financial. At any rate that is a separate issue.

In conclusion: An adult child's poor choice is often very much the parent's fault if the parent was abusive or neglectful. It's time we stopped absolving parents of responsibility. Sure, there are decent parents whose kids end up on drugs or whatever, but many parents had a hand in their kids' issues. I have personally witnessed two men who had abusive mothers who destroyed their lives.
 
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Waves

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#3
You ate raising a good point about how others are factors in what happens to us. Wouldn’t the same apply to all influential people in our adult lives now? The repeated abusive employers that beat down employees who try to help themselves by going to another job but endure the same treatment and then feel low and depressed
 
#4
You ate raising a good point about how others are factors in what happens to us. Wouldn’t the same apply to all influential people in our adult lives now? The repeated abusive employers that beat down employees who try to help themselves by going to another job but endure the same treatment and then feel low and depressed
Sure, that is kind of a separate issue though.
 

seabird

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#5
I agree that we tend to shoulder the blame - sometimes obsessively.
So yes, I struggle with that @Lady Wolfshead . I don't want to give my parents even more thought than I already do, their voices are still echoing around in my head.. Nor do I want to feel like a victim my entire life. How does blaming them for my several large mistakes help me in the present moment is what I am asking myself. I have many thoughts on this and would love to get past all of it forever once and for all.
 
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Astrid78

Spoonful of sugar will help the medicine go down
#6
Yesss I've felt this way for some time now, and its true, when I would get irritated at my 18yo for his procrastination he would always say "well, you raised me" as a joke, but its really not that funny because he did get that from me. I think people tend to not realize that once you turn 18 and move out, the effects of the abuse are the same as if the abuse is still happening.
As a parent I think this issue is due to guilt saying "you're an adult, stop blaming your parents" is a way for parents to absolve themselves of guilt. Which is a bitch as a parent. Then there is ego, no one wants to admit to being a bad parent, it actually takes a lot of insight as a parent to admit where you are going wrong. But that's just my two cents. Great thread topic.
 
#7
There are so many shades of grey here, and really all I'm saying is that the original black-and-white statement is not true, at least not in many situations. It depends on each case and obviously we all hope to gain independence and a measure of free will with age, no matter how our parents behaved. Hopefully we have more independence at age 30 than we did at 20, and so on. But to say parents have zero influence on their adult child's choices (which is what the wording of the statement implies) is simply false.
 

Waves

Well-Known Member
#8
By the time we reach 50 I don’t see how my parents are a factor in my life anymore. I and I see so many of us help ourselves. We try very hard and do everything to be better. But you gotta admit that unless someone opens the door, all the knocking and hard work and patience and banging and groveling and strategies is not going work. It is an interactive effect. Not all in us only.
 

Anchorchain

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#9
My father's three favorite words for me were, stupid, immature and deficient. I heard them thousands of times over the years.. I eventually told myself I didn't believe him.....nobody else ever held those opinions about me. I told myself I didn't believe him......but I never really convinced myself about it.

He's been dead for 21 years and I'm reasonably functional...sort of.... OK I'm getting better at the functionality thing.....but I still think about the little bastard every single day. I imagine what spiteful little verbal attacks he would enjoy spitting at me if he were still here.

I struggle with understanding the meaning of forgiveness. I don't actually know what it is. But it may well begin with just letting go somehow of his voice seeming to ricochet around in my head. It's me saying those things now........I seem to have made his voice my own voice and I dwell on hating him for it.
I desecrate his grave in the same way that dogs mark their territory and I enjoy doing it.....but nothing has ever become resolved. Yet.
 

Waves

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#10
My father's three favorite words for me were, stupid, immature and deficient. I heard them thousands of times over the years.. I eventually told myself I didn't believe him.....nobody else ever held those opinions about me. I told myself I didn't believe him......but I never really convinced myself about it.

He's been dead for 21 years and I'm reasonably functional...sort of.... OK I'm getting better at the functionality thing.....but I still think about the little bastard every single day. I imagine what spiteful little verbal attacks he would enjoy spitting at me if he were still here.

I struggle with understanding the meaning of forgiveness. I don't actually know what it is. But it may well begin with just letting go somehow of his voice seeming to ricochet around in my head. It's me saying those things now........I seem to have made his voice my own voice and I dwell on hating him for it.
I desecrate his grave in the same way that dogs mark their territory and I enjoy doing it.....but nothing has ever become resolved. Yet.
So sorry. You deserved better from a parent
 
#12
I think that verbal, physical, and sexual abuse can have profound negative consequences that effect a child's development and the course of their lives. There are also third-party influences, like schools, classmates, general community, and the influences of society. There's also responsibility that a person has for themselves.

If you say that the parent alone is responsible, then that means that the parent of the parent is responsible for everything that the parent does, and so on. A parent couldn't just say "My parents beat me, and that has turned me into a violent person, so it's their fault that I beat my own child". So even if someone has has some bad influences in their life, there is still some responsibility to overcome that and not simply model the same bad behavior.

It would be unfair to see someone do something bad and automatically think that this behavior was exclusively the fault of the parent. Everything has to be understood in context.
 

Waves

Well-Known Member
#13
I think that verbal, physical, and sexual abuse can have profound negative consequences that effect a child's development and the course of their lives. There are also third-party influences, like schools, classmates, general community, and the influences of society. There's also responsibility that a person has for themselves.

If you say that the parent alone is responsible, then that means that the parent of the parent is responsible for everything that the parent does, and so on. A parent couldn't just say "My parents beat me, and that has turned me into a violent person, so it's their fault that I beat my own child". So even if someone has has some bad influences in their life, there is still some responsibility to overcome that and not simply model the same bad behavior.

It would be unfair to see someone do something bad and automatically think that this behavior was exclusively the fault of the parent. Everything has to be understood in context.
Aw if only it were that simple
 
#14
I think that verbal, physical, and sexual abuse can have profound negative consequences that effect a child's development and the course of their lives. There are also third-party influences, like schools, classmates, general community, and the influences of society. There's also responsibility that a person has for themselves.

If you say that the parent alone is responsible, then that means that the parent of the parent is responsible for everything that the parent does, and so on. A parent couldn't just say "My parents beat me, and that has turned me into a violent person, so it's their fault that I beat my own child". So even if someone has has some bad influences in their life, there is still some responsibility to overcome that and not simply model the same bad behavior.

It would be unfair to see someone do something bad and automatically think that this behavior was exclusively the fault of the parent. Everything has to be understood in context.
I made no such statement. As I said I was arguing against the black and white original. If I said that every poor choice an adult makes is the parent's fault I would be guilty of the same ideological black and white thinking. I even said that in some cases the original statement may be true.
 
#17
I think therapist Ms say it to get us to help ourselves
I would think professional therapists would avoid spouting such ideology. They would certainly know how our choices can be heavily influenced by our upbringing. But I assume a therapist would be commenting on a particular case.
 
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Waves

Well-Known Member
#20
Because parents are not responsible for children’s poor choices when they are adults because they can help themselves now by using coping strategies etc
 

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