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there isn't a huge debate about this in Britain, atleast not the scale there is in America. I watched this MJ fox interview and it really made me think. I didn't just go all gooey because this man is suffering, were talking about playing god here. aswell as the moral emotional issues of using dead foetus'.

part of me says that there is no chance of us ever bieng able to cure diseases like this so we shouldn't play god. however I do believe that if we can study the potential then maybe we can find cures for cancer and aids. I think Im leaning toward bieng pro stem cell research. in all of its indignity.



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Right then, I'll debate this one on my own:tongue:

The republicans have come out of the woodwork and stated that MJ fox was faking all his movements and jerking around. So let me get this straight, they are accusing someone of faking illness to gain sympathy votes. This is a knee jerk reaction because they know its working.

All I have to say to that is, sorry GW Bush and your Fundamentalist army, even if he was (which he is'nt), Its a much less offensive procedure than rigging the entire election.

All these 'morals' standing in the way of 'progress'. Its got nothing to do with it


the commercial of MJ did seem a bit overstated compared to the interview... but who can say if one day is a bit worse than another...

anyway... money speaks so stem cell research is going to happen no matter what..


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the question you have to ask is? which is better, him faking it for the camera, or him not taking / overdoseing his meds, and just waiting infront of a camera until he has a fit, surely the latter is much more dangerous to his health.

there are a few ads where you see are car crash and it tells you not to dink and drive etc. no one complains that it was actually special effects and that no one really died during filming, that's just plain stupid, that fact is it was an accurate portrayal.

on the matter of stem cell research, i'm all for it, scientific discovery should never be hindered, by politics, religion, currently trendy morals etc. of course the actual debate is over whether it should receive government funding or not, and that is a totally different question. part of me agrees with the libertarians and the idea that everything should be funded by private business, but then look how well that worked out for all the people dieing of aids in africa because they can't pay for the medicine.

I guess in the end if then can cure some of the worlds worst illnesses then it will probably be benifical overall to the american economy so perhaps government funding is a good idea.


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i support it. not the approuch forsure. but the use of stem cells. i am not sure exactly the approuch of gettin or other options so i don t have a informed oppinion here.
but just so everyone knows a "stem cell" is the cell before some chromosomes are terned onn to make it something more defined like smooth muscle for organs or tissue for cartilage or brain matter and so on. so it is like the blank canvous. it is the origan of all our defined cells. if that makes sence. hence why it could do so much for our health for it would be what it was needed. it is a amazing thing i say advance it. it will save our physical beein but not our souls
Forgive me for saying this, but how exactly is this a controversial issue? They're taking cells from the dead, it's not like they're murdering babies here. Personally, I'm an organ donor and it brings me happiness to know that part of my body can be used to help save lives even after I'm dead. I just don't understand why people are hung-up over such trivialities.
BTW, I live in America, and it is issues like this that make me ashamed of my country. Scientists and other intellectuals have been moving over to Europe as a result of Bush's campaign, it's a dark era for America.


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i support it. i don't believe in god and the fetus babies arent alive. i just dont want to see any of the experiments. it sounds gross


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Its pretty gross. so is a lot of things humans do, were barbaric.

what bothers me is that human life is so important to bush that he doesn't want dead foetus' experimented on. yet he's more than happy to drop bombs on peoples hospitals and schools killing children


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i think he is thinkin bigger pic. then the dead fetus.
people would sart hevin babies to let them die for this and that is just not cool
he is thinkin of the barbaric nature we have and trien to protect that which can not protect itself. our duty. as adults. war is a different catigory not even fair to lunp them in the same and make a sound judgement.


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Yeah them kids had a real chance of protecting themselves. Oh well, doesn't matter, their going to hell anyway:dry:

if a foetus is dead then it can't protect itself, no. I don't think unborn babies have souls. they don't get them till they have something to fear. its only attachment is to the input of food. its a parasite. its like saying every conception is an act of god and shouldn't be distorted. Its a sensitive issue when attached to faith. if people are gonna deliberately get pregnant just to kill the foetus, let them. do you think the ends justify the means? or do you think maybe it could get out of hand, say government paynig people for their foetus', couples getting pregnant specifically for cash?

This is a totally messed up subject that could create chaos, the fabric of christian life is suffering. I can only speculate here, I don't have the answers


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u obviously never carried a child. they are who they are before they are born. i would feel a embrio may not have a soul yet for i hold to the day that the heart takes its first beat the day that the baby becomes there complete person. and we can t make such life takin choices onopinion of wheather it is alive or not. thay don t have a voice so that is why they need a voice like bush.
I do feel sympathetic for those who feel opposed to it though.. I think it would be reasonable to simply ask permission of the parents/ guardians of the deceased prior to the procedure. If they are against it, just avoid it altogether. If they give permission (which I would think most would) then they can go ahead with it. I think that would be a reasonable agreement with both parties.
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