I'm a new poster here but all too familiar with suicidal thoughts. Don’t be misled by the title of this thread as its not what you might have taken it to be. My first suicidal thoughts occurred long before the internet changed the world the way it has, but they occasionally resurface. Suicide becomes a possibility when circumstances have become intolerable and there appears to be no chance that matters could improve. While suicide becomes a possibility, for most its not an easy option. I've often heard people say that suicide is for cowards but that's to ignore some crucial points. Considerate people contemplating suicide will encounter a lose-lose situation. They understand that taking their own life will cause pain to others. Unwilling to cause hurt to others they refrain from the act and return to the same psychological pain that drove them to contemplate suicide in the first place. Intelligent people contemplating suicide will be plagued by existential issues. Will taking their life actually end the pain? Will their memory and cognitive abilities continue in some other form after their death? Is it really the end? Religious people contemplating suicide will be wracked by supernatural issues. Will taking their life result in punishment? Will they be made to suffer eternal damnation in Hell as punishment? To some people, none of these reasons are sufficient to prevent themselves from taking their lives and they go to their deaths with ease. On the flip side you can be sure that there must be many millions of suicidal people around the world who despite being at peace with these issues are still unable to go through with it. These people are in the worst of all possible places and on many occasions I have been there myself. Many who have come this far down the path to suicide are then confronted with how to commit the act. Most would want the quickest most painless death but society makes suicide quite difficult. For instance, I am in the UK where guns are practically impossible to get hold of. < Mod Edit Hazel: Methods > Let's face it, anyone wanting to commit suicide would want it over quickly, cleanly and painlessly and that means something like < Mod Edit Hazel: Methods > but these are very difficult to get hold of. And this gets to the crux of the matter. If society is so happy to be so cruel as to drive people to suicide, why not make suicide easier to commit? Human society is structured by status and plagued by sociopaths and psychopaths who use others to climb socially, ruining lives on the way up. Whether its conmen defrauding others of their life savings, treacherous spouses getting kicks betraying their loyal other halves or leaders sending soldiers half way round the world to die destroying the lives of harmless innocents, some people have a need to abuse others for their own ends. I am now nearly 40. In those 40 years there has been a lot of societal change. One of those changes has been this notion of schadenfraude – taking pleasure from other people’s pain. I do not come from a particularly religious family but I do know right from wrong. Sure, you have you take the context into account, but to me for the most part schadenfraude - taking pleasure from someone else’s pain - is just damned immoral. In any society there’s always going to be a certain proportion of sociopaths and psychopaths. However the spreading of the schadenfraude habit has turned a great deal of easily influenced youngsters into mini-psychopaths. They weren’t born as proper psychopaths but through the media and so on they have developed some unpleasant psychopathic traits. In years gone by they would be have sharply corrected and told in no uncertain terms such behaviour was disgraceful, but that seems no longer to happen. Victims of people as despicable as sociopaths and psychopaths are made to feel low so that the perpetrator can feel good about themselves. Many of their victims develop long term feelings of suicide yet, for the reasons I outline above they will not be able to end it. The mini-psychopaths feel free to inflict just the same behaviour, making sure to put their victims lower down the pecking order. Would they be quite so ready to inflict pain if suicide was easy to commit? If you could get hold of< Mod Edit Hazel: methods > at any corner drug store would society find it quite so easy to inflict pain and suffering on others? I bet the answer is no – because with that “bottom” layer of society having disposed of itself the inflicters would themselves would fall closer to societies lower ranks. Here’s another point: We’ve all heard of those Japanese internet suicide pacts, right? What if all the world’s suicidal people arranged to commit suicide in a coordinated manner on a secretly organised International Suicide Day? If a million people take their own lives around the world each year could you imagine how society would cope if a million people took their lives all on the same day? The shock might make society think twice about its own behaviour. Could you imagine if everyone one of those victims named and shamed the individuals and circumstances and reasons for taking their lives. We’d soon find out who the villains are and what heinous acts caused such a holocaust. There’d soon be a clearout of the bad guys. PS Not one person in the history of mankind was ever asked if they wanted to be born before being so.