Terrorists and the U.S.A. *VIOLENT*

Discussion in 'Soap Box' started by frager84, Dec 25, 2008.

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  1. frager84

    frager84 Well-Known Member

    hmmm it seems to me that the united states has the most liberal wimpy worthless military i have ever seen

    and its not the soldiers its the commanders

    everyday you hear about terrorists some where in the us or Europe but never Russia ??? its probally what happened in Afghanistan when there russians were occupying the country they ruthlessly killed terrorists and even their families chopping them up into pieces

    if we took this approach in iraq and afganistan do you think we would not have terrorist problems

    FOR UK Peoples you military is not as bad as the US but still pretty bad
     
  2. Rockster

    Rockster Guest

    UK soldiers have the training but the US have the equiptment, and of course not from Russia, the Russians are still fighting from the break up of the USSR plus they have no interest in non-communist ways of life. If we took the same approach as russia did with afghan then it would cause uproar all over the world and you would be no better then a terrorist torturing peopl
     
  3. JohnADreams

    JohnADreams Well-Known Member

  4. Lovecraft

    Lovecraft Well-Known Member

    The American Army is under more fire because they march about in other countries that are full of nationalistic asshats that don't like it.

    That, and the news cares more about the US. Russia? Who cares. US? CRISIS! Those are the feeling that drive the news.
     
  5. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    interesting observation seein as how we have had 8 years of wimpy worthless
    leadership by the wimpy worthless left wing vietcong sympathizin commie
    pinko bedwetting democrats...oh wait! did I get that wrong? lemme think...
    democracrats...republicans...I'm cornfused. who's the president now?

    I know..let's see now, eeny meeny miney moe.. yep, it's them democrats
    fault alright. prolly obamas fault. dang wimpy worthless democrat :biggrin:
     
  6. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    .... What?
     
  7. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    don't bother. nitwit alert.
     
  8. hammockmonkey

    hammockmonkey Well-Known Member

    wait wait wait, under russia there were no terrorists in afganistan? HAHAHAHA

    Nice to see that what happened in the 1980s, stayed in the 1980s.
     
  9. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

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  10. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    Just about...

    Second quotation is a direct reprint excerpted from a United Nations investigative report into the practices of the Afghan Communist era Secret Police, the KHAD. The KHAD was controlled in large party by the Soviets, and for a time was actually run by a Soviet Tajik.

    There's quite a bit more. Among other things, the Soviets air-dropped booby-trapped toys in areas they did not control, so that Afghan children would die or be maimed when they picked them up. Also, Poison gas, women thrown naked from helicopters and on and on and on.

    Long live the glorious Socialist Workers Revolution! :rolleyes:
     
  11. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    you know, I couldn't quite understand what this fruitcake was getting at
    in the first place. are we all supposed to learn a lesson from the russians
    about how to deal with terrorists? or rather ALLEGED terrorists? sounds
    charming. where do I sign up :dry:
     
  12. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I should've made my point, such as it was, more clearly. I don't support what the OP proposed in terms of torturing or maiming anyone. First, it is wrong. Second, it didn't seem to have worked out very well as a tactic for the USSR, did it?

    But what I was really responding to was the sense that Soviet intervention in Afghanistan was not a really, truly nasty business. But the truth, at least so far, is that what the Soviets did was far worse than anything the coalition forces have pulled. There have certainly been some tragic and/or stupid accidents, but if anyone is being lit on fire or having "wooden objects" shoved up their anus I've not heard of it.

    Note I said "so far." I'm not so convinced that down the road some nastiness won't ensue, sadly. And that the author of the OP won't get what he/she seems to be hoping for.
     
  13. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    I find this all very hard to believe, what the hell would the Russians achieve by scattering booby trapped toys exactly? :blink: I am a strongly against the russian and now American/British invasion of Afghanistan, but they were an occupation force not an extermination force. Sounds like more inconsistent fanatical far right BS. You well be handing out pamphlets saying how the soviet empire was was a decietful plan created in league with the jews in order to destroy the earth :blink:

    Do you have any official statistics on this, and I mean Russian army sancted uses of violence, not the individual acts of crime perpetrated by individual soldiers.
     
  14. worlds edge

    worlds edge Well-Known Member

    Technically, Afghanistan was invaded by the Soviet Union, not Russia.

    And they wished to terrify the population into submission.

    What should have been the US response to 9/11, then? 3,000 citizens murdered and all that. Do they register to you?

    Okay, you've made a claim. Now prove it. I stated my source, now please show me yours.

    One of the quotations (the second one, on torture methods) came straight from a UN report and was NOT in the author's words. So, yes, I'd say that it was a fair reflection of the Soviet puppet regime in Afghanistan, and its savage secret police, which, as I noted, was led by a Soviet Tajik for a time.

    So, did you actually read what I posted? (As in, I had noted that the second quote was directly from a UN report.) Most decent libraries would have a copy of the book I used as a source.


    I stated my source, and provided an Amazon link. I quoted from a UN report on the conduct of their puppet regime's secret police. What would you accept as a valid source? Especially since you seem in no big rush to provide any sources of your own.

    Beyond that, could you please tone down the rhetoric? I feel like you're trying to bait me into a flame war. Or, alternately, if that's what you want, say so and I'll cheerfully respond in the tone you're dishing out. I have zero problem going that route, if that is what you're actually looking for. Hell, so far you've called me an anti-Semite*, for no reason I can fathom, make some strange snide comment about "handing out pamphlets" and...posted zero sources of your own as evidence of whatever it is you seem to believe.

    * - BTW, there was a small Jewish community in Kabul at the time of the Soviet invasion. There're none now, they fled to Israel when the Communist Regime clamped down on all religious expression. And I'm the anti-Semite? :rolleyes:
     
  15. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    Why would you make the populace feel more terrified when you are in control than when they were before. Someone who was trying to occupy a foreign country would try to make the citizens feel safer in their control, its common sense.


    The American response should have been not to give the supply the mujihadeen with money, training and resources in the first place, without American help the taliban wouldnt have been able to take control.


    What claim did I ever make, all I ever said is that your opinions dont sound very consistent. You sound awfully defensive, almost like when somone realises they dont have an argument and resort to simple aggresion.

    What note :blink: You posted the same link twice.


    Could you post this link before you try and make me look like an idiot? And make it an official record, not some passage from a book that someone is making money out of.


    Again you seem to be on the attack I never said nothing bad ever happend in Afghanistan, I simply questioned your facts. You do realise that most of the most powerful countries of the UN were primary enemies at this time, I can see how things could get overexagurated. There have also been recent accusations of peadophilia and rape from various countries that have had UN involvement, not exactly super-duper heros to the rescue themselves.

    Anti-semite? :laugh: I dont recall ever saying that, the jewish comment was to relate your opinions on the sheer nonsensical propoganda that the Nazis were spouting off to male the Russians looked bad. My point is that of course bad things happen in war, but it is childish to look at it in the sensationalist style that you adopt. The black book of Communism CRIMES! TERROR! OPPRESSION! OH MY! :laugh:. Here if your done reading that why not consider taking out this book as well...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mein-Kampf-...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230436548&sr=1-1

    Or if that one is too fantistical for you why not this one...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alice-Wonde...=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230436596&sr=1-3
     
  16. Rockster

    Rockster Guest

    Fear rules over men better, look at what russia did in the war, they put the fear into their troops they had a choice, charge towards the enemy or turn and be shot by their own men
     
  17. anonymous51

    anonymous51 Staff Alumni

    If you want to govern a people you gain their support, you do that by killing people they dont like, which is exactly what the russians did and what the coalition are now doing. By going around killing everyone you dont like the look of, you are going to be kicked out of that place fast.
     
  18. HappyAZaClaM

    HappyAZaClaM Guest

    I am utterly at a loss for words. I understand what you saying. I do not
    understand what you and anon were arguing about, but it doesn't matter.
    the OP is obviously not informed at ALL about reality. and just because
    we're the good guys and the soviets have been scumbags since they were
    invented doesn't mean we, the good guys belong in the middle east.

    what have the coalition forces accomplished? anything?
     
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