Torture and Isaiah 58

Discussion in 'Opinions, Beliefs, & Points of View' started by TG123, May 8, 2009.

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  1. TG123

    TG123 Well-Known Member

    This is a chilling report from the human rights group Human Rights First, detailing the murder of 21 inmates in US custody in Iraq and Afghanistan. In total, 98 detainees taken captive during US military operations have died in custody. At least three dozen have been murdered by their guards. Eight of them have been tortured to death during interrogations.
    The "war on terror" started by George Bush and now continued by Barack Obama is in itself a terrorist assault on millions of innocent Iraqis and Afghans and other people, mostly (for now) Muslims who have been targeted based on suspicions and empire building from the White House.

    Christians need to be standing up and denouncing these injustices, especially those of us in the West. These atrocities are being committed in our name, by presidents who claim to be followers of Jesus.

    I think back to Isaiah 58:5-8.

    Isaiah 58:5-8 (King James Version)

    5Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?
    6Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
    7Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? 8Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy reward.

    God here was condemning the Israelites (and this message is as relevant for us today as it was for them) for pretending to be pious while doing nothing to help victims of poverty and injustice. I'd like to focus on verse six. We are called to break yokes, to undo heavy burdens, to loose bands of wickedness, to let the oppressed go free. These are fighting words, they are about taking a stand against injustice and tyranny.

    Verse 7 describes feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and taking in the homeless. These are acts of Christ-like love that many of us in our churches I would say are fairly good at doing, at least in my church.

    God's word needs to be followed, this applies to everything we find in Scripture. We need to begin raising our voices against injustice against the most vulnerable among us and in the world with the same zeal we provide material help to the poor. God expects that we do both.
  2. Entoloma43

    Entoloma43 Well-Known Member

    I find it odd and somewhat disturbing of the double standard you're doing here.

    The Christian God of the old testament was far far far worse than anything you've posted here. [Extremely ironic you would even quote the old testament]

    God Will Kill the Children of Sinners:

    If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

    God Kills all the First Born of Egypt:

    And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

    Kill Men, Women, and Children:

    "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

    The list goes on.
  3. Crue-K

    Crue-K Well-Known Member

    Ummm, I understand the point you are trying to make, but why should just Christians stand up, what about Muslims, Hindus, Jews.....or what about those of us with free minds and who are not partisan to any particular type of organised religion.

    What about the forced displacing of the Palestinian people from their home lands by the ever increasing violent and murderous fascist state of Israel, with whom have the backing of the western world, most notable from USA.

    Quite right, what gives these people the right to invade middle eastern countries and trying to enforce their doctrine of so called democracy on them. Whilst quite clearly ignoring the most dangerous country in the middle east; Israel. Unfortunately, USA has a long history of invading countries and ignoring the fact that colonialism and imperialism is unjust, violent and truly undemocratic.
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