Vaccines - not all they're cracked up to be?

[me1]

http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/health/vaccination.html


Interest booklet, suggesting that we're not being told the whole truth regarding the practice of vaccination.

 

[Abacus21]

Where there's a practice which people are paranoid about, there will be conspiracy theories. All I'll say on that one.

 

[me1]

Where there's a practice which people are paranoid about, there will be conspiracy theories. All I'll say on that one.

Why are people 'paranoid' about them though, Joe? Is it irrational or not without justification? If you had a seemingly healthy child pre-vaccination and then for no apparent reason their health declined post-vaccination, would you not be a little suspicious of the claimed 'safety' of vaccines?

 

[Darken]

they are dangerous, contain mercury and other toxins. dont take them or let your kids take them. They make it seem like its required by law but its not.

 

[FoundAndLost1]

They make it seem like its required by law but its not.

Actually, in many instances - for example, children in the school system, or healthcare providers in most if not all settings, or traveling abroad - whether it's actual "law" or not (which I do think it is in some circumstances), they are not and will not be allowed to be present/to work/to travel in such [respective] environments...

 

[Spearmint]

They make it seem like its required by law but its not.

Actually, you usually need them to travel out of the country, to go into public schools, and for many jobs. They aren't dangerous, they're helpful, and people are just paranoid.

 

[me1]

They aren't dangerous, they're helpful, and people are just paranoid.

Evidence please?

 

[Spearmint]

Evidence please?

Please provide evidence that they are dangerous? I read the link, and it seemed to just give the most obscure occurrences that it could find about adverse effects from the vaccines. Or, it seemed to talk about people who had the disease that the vaccine was for, and then continued to say that they contracted the disease from the vaccine itself.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/

Of course, now I'm expecting something along the lines of, "Oh, but that's a government link, not real evidence," like it or not, the scientists/doctors know what they're doing.

 

[me1]

Please provide evidence that they are dangerous? I read the link, and it seemed to just give the most obscure occurrences that it could find about adverse effects from the vaccines. Or, it seemed to talk about people who had the disease that the vaccine was for, and then continued to say that they contracted the disease from the vaccine itself.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/

Of course, now I'm expecting something along the lines of, "Oh, but that's a government link, not real evidence," like it or not, the scientists/doctors know what they're doing.

There -was- evidence given in that booklet for diseases caused by vaccines ranging from mental health problems to cancer. I dont know what you mean by 'obscure', would you care to elaborate please? The booklet offered only a small portion of the evidence. There is so much of it that it would take a very big book to offer all of it. Here is a website documenting a lot more:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

That populations have been partially-vaccinated or fully-vaccinated and still contracted the diseases suggests that either

a) the vaccine didn't stop them from contracting it, or
b) the vaccine was actually causing it.


How could you dismiss a point like this as of no relevance?


There are no scientific-trials of vaccines documenting their effectiveness. All arguments in their favour are generally specious, circular or good knows what else! The last scientific-trial to have been conducted was the Tuberculosis vaccine in India. It involved 260,000 people and ended with a higher rate of the disease amongst the vaccinated than the control group! I will dig this out assuming it is not on that site. As i recall it is in the booklet that i originally linked which your comments are based upon. Providing you even read it!


I am sorry but yes, i am inclined to state that this -is- a government site. Governments are inherently corrupt ( Saddam's nukes anyone?) and in cohoots with big-business. As for doctors, i will find the article i have got showing that 25% admit to taking bribes from the Pharmaceutical Industry. If "scientists and doctors know what they are doing" and clearly they must, i dont know how they can sleep at night!!!

 

[Darken]

Actually, you usually need them to travel out of the country, to go into public schools, and for many jobs. They aren't dangerous, they're helpful, and people are just paranoid.

Oh yeah were all just paranoid crazies right?

Next every one will be forced to take microchips under their skin, that will track every thing you do or buy. And if you oppose your dictator they will turn off your chip, so your fucked. Like we believe and have been saying will happen. and you will be saying thats just paranoia too. Wake up please?

Since vaccines were introduced , health of the polulation has not been any better but actually worse.

I refuse to take the mark, and I refuse to take dangerous vaccines with mercury in them, period. Also I'm not giving up my rights for "protection" from terrorists. You should do the same.

Forcing people to take a shot against there will seems awfully unconstitutional and fascist like, Am I the only one who thinks this??

/end rant

 

[Aquariamethystea]

The day after I had the influenza vaccination, I got sick for a few hours. I had a nasty taste in my throat from the Thimerosal. Yucky!

 

[janie]

omg arborrealarthur ur threads get me so worked up rrrrgh >_< lol...please dont put up anymore related to medical issues before reading up about them (and not just from an internet source that just presents one side of the "argument'). like- have a look at how vaccines work and how they are made and their described effectivity and side effects and the actual statistics (ie how many get side effects how many don't etc). and dont generalise inappropriately~ >:<

There are vaccines whose benefits may not be 100% -ur common cold "vaccines" cos some microbes cannot be vaccinated against.

There are also vaccines which are , pretty much Godsends - e.g. polio vaccine. I dont know about where you live but here all the recommended childhood vaccines are tried and true stuff that are all for serious preventable illnesses.

vaccines are made by humans- they can fail (usually accident in production)/have side effects but you have to weigh the potential benefit and risk (and their likelihoods respetively). In the case of the usual recommended stuff- polio/measles/rubella watever benefit>>risk (though the chances of getting polio/measles etc these days are pretty slim due to vaccination,dunno if its smaller than dying or gettin a permanent injury from vaccination though lol) still- would you risk getting say polio?

p.s. these threads of yours do kill time well though...but no more medical-related ones pleeezz~

 

[Darken]

That's cause the elites want to use these to keep the population docile and easy to control. How would you control a whole population of a country? You would have to use some thing they all need. Vaccines and water is what they use. I've seen some evidence that they can often make a person worse, have long term side affects etcetera. This is cause the elites are adding unnecessary ingredients in them for their agenda. That is what I believe. As long as they don't force them on me, but they are trying.

 

[smackh2o]

Like janie says, do your homework.
Not all vaccination is the same. In fact their are four types of vaccination currently in full blown use, with a series of other DNA based ones in testing stages. The two main ones used are when a microorganism is inactive or killed and then used to vaccinate the patient.
The other, (the more controversial) is a live microorganism that has been modified or grown under conditions that disable its virulent qualities.

All methods are better suited to attacking different viruses or helping different age groups.

Even if the host develops antibodies, the human immune system is not perfect and in any case the immune system might still not be able to defeat the infection.

Adjuvants are typically used to boost immune response. Adjuvants are sometimes called the dirty little secret of vaccines [3] in the scientific community, as not much is known about how adjuvants work. Most often aluminium adjuvants are used, but adjuvants like squalene are also used in some vaccines and more vaccines with squalene and phosphate adjuvants are being tested.

That might be what shits people up though.

So, if you're worried about a vaccination, read up about the type of virus and what types they will be using to combat it, and whether or not they will use an Adjuvant or not.

 

[me1]

omg arborrealarthur ur threads get me so worked up rrrrgh >_< lol...please dont put up anymore related to medical issues before reading up about them (and not just from an internet source that just presents one side of the "argument'). like- have a look at how vaccines work and how they are made and their described effectivity and side effects and the actual statistics (ie how many get side effects how many don't etc). and dont generalise inappropriately~ >:<

There are vaccines whose benefits may not be 100% -ur common cold "vaccines" cos some microbes cannot be vaccinated against.

There are also vaccines which are , pretty much Godsends - e.g. polio vaccine. I dont know about where you live but here all the recommended childhood vaccines are tried and true stuff that are all for serious preventable illnesses.

vaccines are made by humans- they can fail (usually accident in production)/have side effects but you have to weigh the potential benefit and risk (and their likelihoods respetively). In the case of the usual recommended stuff- polio/measles/rubella watever benefit>>risk (though the chances of getting polio/measles etc these days are pretty slim due to vaccination,dunno if its smaller than dying or gettin a permanent injury from vaccination though lol) still- would you risk getting say polio?

p.s. these threads of yours do kill time well though...but no more medical-related ones pleeezz~

Bury your head in the sand if you like dear.

Their 'described effectivity and side-effects' by whom?

 

[Testify]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Eradication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis_eradication
Aw, hell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_disease_eradication
'nuff said.

 

[me1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Eradication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis_eradication
Aw, hell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_disease_eradication
'nuff said.

Smallpox

http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html


4. Statistics. The government statistics alone show easily that vaccination was the main cause of smallpox, and completely ineffective as a preventive. [See: Vaccine failure Smallpox vaccine failure quotes].

a.) Most cases had been vaccinated. [See: Smallpox vaccine failure quotes]
b.) Smallpox epidemics followed high vaccination levels, which was the reason they abolished the compulsory vaccination law.
c.) Child deaths increased dramatically which was why the The National Anti-Vaccination League in 1880 said that '25,000 babies are yearly sacrificed by diseases excited by Vaccination'.
d.) Mortality was highest during vaccination years. Vaccinated 1902-4 London's case mortality 3 times unvaccinated Leicester, and 9 times higher in 1904. [See: Case mortality Smallpox vaccine failure quotes]
e.) Little vaccinated countries such as Australia had less smallpox and smallpox deaths.

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Commentary please?


Polio

http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm

Provocation polio

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/polio1.html


Hiding polio

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html



"Polio has not been eradicated by vaccination, it is lurking behind a redefinition and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic
meningitis.......According to one of the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000
to 50,000 cases of viral meningitis per year in the United States alone. That's where
all those 30,000 - 50,000 cases of polio disappeared after the introduction of mass
vaccination"---Viera Scheibner


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Commentary please?


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If you think the decline of smallpox was due to vaccinations you are sadly mistaken. The recorded history paints an altogether different picture. One of huge vaccine-induced epidemics of the disease, no greater protection offered by the vaccine to those who didn't have it, in other cases, etc.
The disease, when not being caused by vaccination, was one of filth, and declined in tandem with the decline of filthy living conditions.

As for Polio, it has been made worse by vaccination, and is being hidden under a guise of new diagnosis'.

 

[Testify]

You know that site has no impartial sources whatsoever?
It saddens me that you have a vote.

 

[me1]

You know that site has no impartial sources whatsoever?
It saddens me that you have a vote.

Define an 'impartial source'. The directors of the multi-national drug companies who dont give a toss about the damages their products cause as long as the profits are rolling in? The doctors who get bonuses for vaccinating 99% of their infants? Or else would never want to admit to themselves what they had done if they do have any flicker of a conscience?

Who qualifies as an 'impartial source' ? Please tell me.