Vermont Rejects Uncle Sam

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  1. protonaut

    protonaut Well-Known Member

    MONTPELIER, Vt. -- At Riverwalk Records, the all-vinyl record store just down the street from the state Capitol, the black "US Out of Vt.!" T-shirts are among the hottest sellers.

    But to some people in Vermont, the idea is bigger than a $20 novelty. They want Vermont to secede from the United States -- peacefully, of course.

    Disillusioned by what they call an empire about to fall, a small cadre of writers and academics is plotting political strategy and planting the seeds of separatism.

    They've published a "Green Mountain Manifesto" subtitled "Why and How Tiny Vermont Might Help Save America From Itself by Seceding from the Union." They hope to put the question before citizens at Town Meeting Day next March, eventually persuading the state Legislature to declare independence, returning Vermont to the status it held from 1777 to 1791.

    Whether it's likely is another question.

    But the idea has found plenty of sympathetic ears in Vermont, a left-leaning state that said yes to civil unions, no to slavery (before any other) and last year elected a socialist to the U.S. Senate.

    About 300 people turned out for a 2005 secession convention in the Statehouse, and plans for a second one are in the works. A poll this year by the University of Vermont's Center for Rural Studies found that 13 percent of those surveyed support secession, up from 8 percent a year before.

    Article is continued here.

    Related links:

    A Vision of a Nation - NY Times
    The Once and Future Republic of Vermont - Washington Post
    Free Vermont - The American Conservative
    New England Secession
  2. theleastofthese

    theleastofthese SF Friend Staff Alumni

    Vermont: the mouse that roared!:smile:
  3. Random

    Random Well-Known Member

    Texas: The warthog that farted.

    (Sorry. I couldn't resist) :biggrin:
  4. VALIS

    VALIS Well-Known Member


    everytime I say things like that about Texas people bust my balls, like "have you been there??" --no, that's my point, I don't have to go there because the people I meet from Texas never shut up about it
  5. protonaut

    protonaut Well-Known Member

    Hope or hype? Small update on this unusual situation.

    Glenn Beck interviewed Thomas Naylor on June 23, 2009.

    Video here.

    Notable quotes from transcript:

  6. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    It seems kind of a moot point - the US has shown that it is willing to fight secession with military force... and the remaining 49 states are a heck of a lot more powerful than Vermont!
  7. MeAndYou

    MeAndYou Well-Known Member

    Secession is such a joke in my opinion. If it actually succeeded (it wont) they'd be the first state begging for federal help during natural disasters or pandemics.

    And fox news? Really? Don't people try and get their news from somewhere else? These are the same people that like calling obama a communist AND a fascist. Hardly journalism....
  8. reefer madness

    reefer madness Account Closed

    Nobody cares about Vermont.
  9. shades

    shades Staff Alumni

    VALIS: Texas comment very funny...I feel the same way.

    ME AND YOU: Right on about fox news (or noise as some call it). It's an entertainment station not a news station.

    And now to Vermont: This country will live or die as the United States of America. Admittedly, it's not very pretty right now, but Vermont has less of a chance on it's own than standing up and fighting for the survival of the country. As Lincoln said: "A house divided cannot stand".
  10. Zurkhardo

    Zurkhardo Well-Known Member

    Just about every state has some sort of successionist movement or other. It pretty much comes with this countries identity as being fiercely independent and anti-government. But that's all it is: identity. No state can seriously expect to survive on it's own as a seperate country, even if it were legal to do (and despite some popular belief, it isn't).

    It does make for an amusing statement however.
  11. Mikeintx

    Mikeintx Well-Known Member

    Well as people say, have you been to texas? I was born and raised in new hampshire(another state wanting to secede) and moved to texas a year and a half ago. Although I knew all the stereotypes coming down here, this really is a great state.
  12. bleach

    bleach Well-Known Member

    It's no surprise. The lie of a harmonious multiculture always disproves itself in due course. Vermont at least has one major advantage in that it's populations is largely consistent within its own borders, so their push for sovereignty may be more fruitful, as a move to a more stable paradigm. The federal gov. would also miss Vt.'s small economy less than Texas's, so they may seen this as a cause not worth fighting. That's assuming the movement continues growing.
  13. aoeu

    aoeu Well-Known Member

    They'd fight it, hard and fast - one secedes and this produces a precedent for all the others. Within days of announcing secession, citizens of Vermont would be outnumbered by federal soldiers.
  14. soliloquise

    soliloquise Well-Known Member

    good for vermont... hope they succeed and can't blame them from wanting to seperate.
  15. wastedmylife

    wastedmylife Well-Known Member

    vermont the best state in america, i wish i moved there 10 years ago
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