Well.... as anyone knows, I like heavy metal music. so much, that I decided to join a metal forum. they had an off topic section forum, and I posted something there called "self-injury." The results? You can see for yourself, but in my opinion? only one word suits them: shitty. my user name in that particular debate is "buggieman444." have a look. http://p208.ezboard.com/fultimatum19603frm7.showMessageRange?topicID=386.topic&start=1&stop=20 you can tell i was quite friendly when this topic started... but you can see how quickly my attitude changed.